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Fram is blocked for being a jerk, there are tons of evidence. That is the only right and proper conclusion, and what WMF has declared.
And for the rest is everything around the SanFanBan's top secret. I simple don't get the problem.
The only thing I say is, WMF do a CU and you will be astonished, and maybe the did. But as Crow said WMF will never leak such info.

This is all we know, Jake, and the rest is stoned around hopping monkeys with a gas flame on your trollocrazzy!

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Long story short, as much as I hate to say it (since some people will take it as confirmation that I've "gone soft"), Wikipedia isn't the biggest social/cultural/political threat on, or to, the internet anymore - at worst (or at best if you prefer), it's in the lower part of the top ten. That's not to say what we're doing here doesn't matter or that people shouldn't be doing it - it does matter and people should be doing it. It's just harder to get new people interested when there are bigger problems and threats out there.
I'll keep saying it because it's true, and you'll obviously keep denying it because you don't want to take responsibility - the issue is not that critics have lost interest. It is that your site has banned or shunned so many of them, to the point there are more still active but away from your site, than now post on it.

You don't need to tell anyone you consider Wikipedia to be less of a threat compared to the Rise of Trump related phenomenon, it's fucking obvious. The only surprise is that you keep pretending you're the person to be running the supposed pre-eminent critic forum. Your usefulness begins and ends at keeping disgruntled Wikipedians happy, as long as their cause of disgruntlement matches your pretty limited view.

Wikipedia criticism is a specialist activity, practitioners need deep knowledge and basic credibility to even have half a chance of combating the cult. The activity needs a forum which isn't going to ban people for absolutely petty reasons, or worse, for embarrassing the leadership or going against their POV, certainly if they ridiculously keep pretending they don't have one. There is no room here for people who think serious critics can so easily be discarded, and then whine about lack of interest.

Your forum only interests people like Timmy and Poetlister and a whole bunch of scumbag Wikipedians, and it is because you let them get away with Wikipedian like arrogance in the face of serious questions about their views. No serious critic wants to be around that sort of bullshit, a clubhouse masquerading as a forum.

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There's another reason why that doesn't happen so much anymore - people simply have more options for venting their frustrations that are within their personal information and opinion bubbles. Ten or fifteen years ago it would have been fairly unusual for fringe ideologies or medical treatments or sexual practices to have entire websites devoted to them, but these days, not so much - they've all got multiple blogs, forums, wikis, you name it. Supporters go to one set of websites, enemies to another, and nobody has to deal with the hassle of being disagreed with by a relatively opinion-diverse group of strangers - like us.
You literally posted this in a thread where a notorious Wikipedia bad actor is lamenting the lack of prey in your regular ritual of someone done wrong by Wikipedia registering on your shitty forum and then being roundly piled on.

These people have always had their own places to vent, who do you think was a big driver in growing the internet - people who the traditional media wouldn't touch, except to ridicule. They come to Wikipediocracy because they stupidly assumed it was independent, and that you were interested in stories where Wikipedia is the bad actor. And if you bothered to look, it's thanks to shitheels like the OP of that very thread you're in, that mean that even in the most indefensible cases, there is an element of truth to their claims that they were mistreated by Wikipedia, there is legitimate criticism to be had in their first hand experience.

Thanks to you, the people who want to criticise Wikipedia but don't want to be associated with cranks and crazies, ironically find all the outlet they need on Wikipedia. The SignPost does a better job of systemic criticism than you dickheads, and you're the ones who believe the problem is systemic!

You don't care, because you're not running a critic forum, you're running a chill out room for Wikipedia shitheels. You literally said you respect the Wikipedia Administrator who went full Stasi on an investigative reporter looking to interview Wikipedians with dirt to spill. You're a goddamned traitor is what you are, why no serious critic wants to be around you is not a mystery.

You're basically engaged in flattery of Wikipedia by imitation. Your bin diving panty sniffing moderator sees the above criticism as hostile, and you like to pretend it doesn't even exist because it's being said outside your little bubble of truth. Classic Wikipedia.


Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:44 am
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If you want more people to participate, reach out and invite them. :D

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Just let them come, the first one who dare to say something wrong about my dear wikimedian friends is booted out in no time by my super sysop Jakeass. :roll:

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Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:17 am
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His would you even compose that mail?

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Hi, I'm Zoloft from Wikipediocracy, and we want YOU to help us investigate the dark corners of Wikipedia.

OK. What are you working on currently?

Well, we're harassing the shit out of a woman we think is responsible for getting Fram banned.

Who?

That guy described in the media as an "asshole".

Oh right. OK. Well, what was the result!

Um, what do you mean?

What was the result of all that bin diving and panty sniffing?

Oh right. OK. Well, we're working on getting someone to believe the theories we developed from it, and publish it. Any day now.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if what you're claiming is true, this would be the biggest scandal to have ever befallen Wikipedia?

You are right.

How long's it been?

A few weeks actually.

Nobody wants to touch it with a bargepole, do they?

Sadly, it appears not.

OK. Why not put it in a blog post? You have a blog, right?

Um. Yes. Well, it's complicated.

You're too chicken shit to put your name on it, aren't you?

Yes.

OK. Well, what other results did it achieve?

Well, she left Wikipedia, which we consider a victory.

Why?

Because it means she can no longer damage Wikipedia.

Why would you care if Wikipedia gets damaged?

We don't.

But you just said you did.

That's what we want them to think.

Who?

Them?

WHO?

Shhhhh. They're listening. Meet me tonight, on the corner of fifth and Main. Make sure you're not followed.

Fuck off, you absolute freak. And stop scaring women for no reason.


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Fuck off, you absolute freak. And stop scaring women for no reason.

Yeh, that was fucking mean. The woman was obesely very good willing, but is of course no professional editor. Instate of burning her down help her, that's the principe of Wikipedia. Or better, that should it be the principe of wikipedia. And later some strange Double Dutch stoned monkey dance with Protrollsky on Auggie's WikiRev only to damage her in same strange played Eurocrap revenge, I am really sorry.
Away, far away from me with this idiots. Get lost out of my life! Far away, literally.

No wikicafe's in my backyard in Tiel, I boot you all personal out! Stay out of my social surrounding, I warn you all for the last time!

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Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:59 am
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Earlier today we had a short discussion with Mr. Vigilant about possibly moving this thread out of the current "private" forum into "General Discussion," making it visible to the public. We've done this sort of thing before, but I don't think we've done it with such an extensive (and potentially provocative) thread, at least not while I've been an admin here.

Yeh Jake, you are right. It contains real hot stuff.

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Lastly, it's not inconceivable that a substantial number of you will respond to this by saying it's a terrible idea and that we should never have even considered it, and you're going to quit, sue us, hire professional assassins to eliminate us, and so on. (A similar controversy happened on the Betty Boop Professional Cosplayers forum just last month.) So, I just want to say that this isn't a "done deal" - if enough of you object, then we'll back off, but I can't say how many objections it will take until they actually start to appear. I guess it's sort of like the way they handle "consensus" on Wikipedia, in a way.

Hire professional assassins to eliminate you guys Jake? Sorry, but European law gives very little space to sue Stand-up comedy and I think American law too.

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Who's my bitch?

https://www.wikipediasucks.co/forum/vie ... 772#p11772

Say some shit Jake. Never ends well for you. But better than being a mute I guess.
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Well, to be fair, I think he's just conflicted to the point where it looks like he may be drunk. He's now having to defend the WMF, even more than they're willing to defend themselves, in order to advance his personal revenge-agenda against the admins.
I can make you look like a know nothing fuckwit just like that Jake.

Just like that.

It's why you're scared of me.

Didn't I fucking warn you?


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Well, he didn't disappoint....
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Basically, if WPO advocates something, he is against it. He's capable of some amazing contortions, defending the WMF bureaucracy as the enemy of his enemies.
That's true in many cases, maybe even in most cases, but not so much in this one, IMO. His highest aspiration is to see people like Drmies, Sandstein, Ritchie333, Eric Corbett, Cassianto, Black Kite, Iridescent, Bbb23, Jessica Wade, etc., etc., and yes, Fram, all get banned, preferably after being thoroughly discredited and exposed as horrible people. And it isn't so much that all other considerations are "secondary"; he can walk and chew gum at the same time, but really he just sees things mostly in terms of whether they further this agenda or obstruct it. Normally Wikipediocracy wouldn't obstruct it, and TBH maybe we shouldn't obstruct it - but now, in this particular case, we're obstructing it as far as he's concerned.

The current situation is almost purely transactional from his perspective - he's given up on us, he's long-since given up on Arbcom, and of course he never trusted the supposedly "good" admins in the first place (there aren't enough of them anyway). He realizes that posting 30 times a day on what nearly amounts to his own personal forum about how awful these people are isn't going to work either. The only entity left that can get the job done is the WMF. It isn't that he likes the WMF or respects anyone who works for the WMF - if anything, he thinks they're idiots for waiting as long as they have to start banning these people. But they're all he's got, so they must be supported. Meanwhile, he sees us here as trying to weaken their resolve (which was already pretty weak to begin with), so he's angrier at us than ever.

It's like he's had a short glimpse of the promised land, but now the bad people, like us, are trying to snatch it away. He'd be less angry if he'd never glimpsed the promised land at all.
All this talk of agendas, like it's a bad thing. My agenda is HTD. The promised land is the total destruction of Wikipedia. Me posting here achieves that end, even if he's too far gone down this fantasy that his forum is the only show in town, to notice it.

What is his agenda, we have to ask. Other than trying to persuade people he genuinely did a good thing by removing a successful critic from a supposed critic site, we don't know what he wants. We simply have to what look at what he does, look at how he doesn't deny Timmy's description of him as a reformist, and draw conclusions from his actions, treating the scum of Wikipedia and their enabler admins as friends and allies.

As usual, we can also draw conclusions from his inability to avoid even basic mistakes. I don't hate Sanstein, for example, I admire him for his courage. I note with some hilarity that he would be as unwelcome on Wikipediocracy as I would be, even though we both have a lot to say about what's wrong with how Wikipedia operates, and have our own critics who don't have mounting to say about our analysis except to decry us as witches.

Where's the transactional nature of it all though? If Sanstein gets what he wants, I get what I want, but is that really why I support Sandstein? Only a simpleton would think so. I choose who I want to win, because they're doing the right thing. We already know from countless examples, most prominently Vigilant and his statements about the WMF, that it is all a rather less principled activity for Wikipediocracy, who have countless agendas, very few aligning with true Wikipedia criticism (i.e., a poveable benefit to the public).

I mean, honestly. Tell me how weakening the resolve of the WMF to tackle problem Administrators like Fram is a good thing for anyone other than those who have tied their colours to the masts of scum like Black Kite? Where is the contortion? Bad people are bad people. It only matters to Wikipediocracy whether they are from the WMF or not, before making a judgement. It's weak minded piss.

This is the heart of the matter. This is why they can't stand me. Look at this nonsense......
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IMO Fram has always been kind of a "lone wolf" - he'll go after people, including other admins, without the benefit of a loyal clique supporting him. I think he's one of the only ones who does this - some might say the only one, period.
Some might say? I SAID.
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What's happened over the years is that a lot of people have developed a grudging respect for him, so in a way, he's gathered a clique (or something indistinguishable from one) without really trying, but I suspect much of what appears to be people rushing to his aid is actually people just not wanting the same thing to happen to them.
Said that too. So why would any self-respecting critic react by helping them? The exact people who see no problem in having embraced those people to their bosom, like they're worthy of respect. Like they're goddamned Wikipedia critics, not the very thing rational people would be criticized about Wikipedia, as well as anything attributable to their WMF enemies.
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The WMF folks don't spend all day on English Wikipedia, though, so they might have taken a cursory look at his past attacks on other admins, and thought he could be picked off without too much blowback. That's just a theory, though.
Yup, just another Wikipediocracy theory, which never fit the facts. They knew who he was. Yet again they inexplicably forget something that undermines their conspiracy theory - most T&S staff are deeply embedded volunteers, previously respected and admired by the scum, until they directly addressed the scum problem, with a megaton sized message. They knew enough to specifically choose him as the perfect target to send the message they wanted to send. All of this has explained before here, with Jake either too confused by its logic, or just plain stubborn, if not wholly in bed with the scum, to acknowledge there are critics out there who know this stuff better than his shower of shit clown school, and are prepared to do something about it.

So keep going Jake. This is how you go down, by trying. You shouldn't have even tried. I did warn you.

Amateurs.


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Yup, just another Wikipediocracy theory, which never fit the facts. They knew who he was. Yet again they inexplicably forget something that undermines their conspiracy theory - most T&S staff are deeply embedded volunteers, previously respected and admired by the scum, until they directly addressed the scum problem, with a megaton sized message. They knew enough to specifically choose him as the perfect target to send the message they wanted to send. All of this has explained before here, with Jake either too confused by its logic, or just plain stubborn, if not wholly in bed with the scum, to acknowledge there are critics out there who know this stuff better than his shower of shit clown school, and are prepared to do something about it.

Of course! Why do you think Romaine=>Wikipedia is almost mute by T&S? Because, properly because of my postings here they have found out what a fucking lier and troll he was with his pirate flags. And for the same reason is Ymnes boy now bounded by Arbcom on WP-Nl and do they now understand what a saboteur and shitbird "adviser" and lawyer Trollobotje aka Robotje was. And how stinking the Moira troll farm was.

But it is to late my friends. Extreem strict measures of the EU are on it's way and no one can fix wikipedia anymore. Not even a army of pensioned professors can and will do that.
You, yes you, you all have missed every change and are where the best Hasten The Day ambassadors we could wish.
Yes, You where our brave soldier and officer in the field, we could never have improved your trolling.

You guys have done it aaaall by yourself and have blew it complete. Everything!


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And the images! Would that I could simply tear my eyes out of their very sockets to forever erase from my memory the sight of that dreaded avatar, the particolored sloganeering, the horrifying model trains! The nights, the many nights of desperately trying to empty my thoughts in order to get mere minutes of precious sleep, only to awaken moments later as if from a years-long nightmare, drowning in my own sweat, terrified of what I might see if I open my eyes in case they light onto the computer monitor always positioned within inches of my face, just in case even more horrors have been posted in the black, stultifying darkness! More incessant whining, more host-admin ass-licking, more incomprehensible claims about the

Troll talk and Jakeshit. You know dammed well trollopedia has simple to respect that hideous strength of Dutch and European copyright law or will be simple booted out in the near future because of the new coming European copyright regulation. It has been from the first moment on a extreem stupide plan to left copyright. What is your next step of your new to form Spergpedia, Jake? To left Alcohol abuse in the traffic? Alcoholleft? Or speedleft? Or what about burglaryleft?

Copyvio is in Europe a moral offence, a scandal, about the same as plagiarism Jake. Courts and judges are extremely strict about copyvio because of that moral offence.
And of course you can play Jake the clown, but it is simple not funny. Peeps who use Wikipedia's "free content" can end up deep in problem, financial problems, but that seems to be "humor" in the eyes of mister Jake.

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