Well, he didn't disappoint....
Tiny_Timmy wrote:Basically, if WPO advocates something, he is against it. He's capable of some amazing contortions, defending the WMF bureaucracy as the enemy of his enemies.
That's true in many cases, maybe even in most cases, but not so much in this one, IMO. His highest aspiration is to see people like Drmies, Sandstein, Ritchie333, Eric Corbett, Cassianto, Black Kite, Iridescent, Bbb23, Jessica Wade, etc., etc., and yes, Fram, all get banned, preferably after being thoroughly discredited and exposed as horrible people. And it isn't so much that all other considerations are "secondary"; he can walk and chew gum at the same time, but really he just sees things mostly in terms of whether they further this agenda or obstruct it. Normally Wikipediocracy wouldn't obstruct it, and TBH maybe we shouldn't obstruct it - but now, in this particular case, we're obstructing it as far as he's concerned.
The current situation is almost purely transactional from his perspective - he's given up on us, he's long-since given up on Arbcom, and of course he never trusted the supposedly "good" admins in the first place (there aren't enough of them anyway). He realizes that posting 30 times a day on what nearly amounts to his own personal forum about how awful these people are isn't going to work either. The only entity left that can get the job done is the WMF. It isn't that he likes the WMF or respects anyone who works for the WMF - if anything, he thinks they're idiots for waiting as long as they have to start banning these people. But they're all he's got, so they must be supported. Meanwhile, he sees us here as trying to weaken their resolve (which was already pretty weak to begin with), so he's angrier at us than ever.
It's like he's had a short glimpse of the promised land, but now the bad people, like us, are trying to snatch it away. He'd be less angry if he'd never glimpsed the promised land at all.
All this talk of agendas, like it's a bad thing. My agenda is HTD. The promised land is the total destruction of Wikipedia. Me posting here achieves that end, even if he's too far gone down this fantasy that his forum is the only show in town, to notice it.
What is his agenda, we have to ask. Other than trying to persuade people he genuinely did a good thing by removing a successful critic from a supposed critic site, we don't know what he wants. We simply have to what look at what he does, look at how he doesn't deny Timmy's description of him as a reformist, and draw conclusions from his actions, treating the scum of Wikipedia and their enabler admins as friends and allies.
As usual, we can also draw conclusions from his inability to avoid even basic mistakes. I don't hate Sanstein, for example, I admire him for his courage. I note with some hilarity that he would be as unwelcome on Wikipediocracy as I would be, even though we both have a lot to say about what's wrong with how Wikipedia operates, and have our own critics who don't have mounting to say about our analysis except to decry us as witches.
Where's the transactional nature of it all though? If Sanstein gets what he wants, I get what I want, but is that really why I support Sandstein? Only a simpleton would think so. I choose who I want to win, because they're doing the right thing. We already know from countless examples, most prominently Vigilant and his statements about the WMF, that it is all a rather less principled activity for Wikipediocracy, who have countless agendas, very few aligning with true Wikipedia criticism (i.e., a poveable benefit to the public).
I mean, honestly. Tell me how weakening the resolve of the WMF to tackle problem Administrators like Fram is a good thing for anyone other than those who have tied their colours to the masts of scum like Black Kite? Where is the contortion? Bad people are bad people. It only matters to Wikipediocracy whether they are from the WMF or not, before making a judgement. It's weak minded piss.
This is the heart of the matter. This is why they can't stand me. Look at this nonsense......
IMO Fram has always been kind of a "lone wolf" - he'll go after people, including other admins, without the benefit of a loyal clique supporting him. I think he's one of the only ones who does this - some might say the only one, period.
Some might say? I SAID.
What's happened over the years is that a lot of people have developed a grudging respect for him, so in a way, he's gathered a clique (or something indistinguishable from one) without really trying, but I suspect much of what appears to be people rushing to his aid is actually people just not wanting the same thing to happen to them.
Said that too. So why would any self-respecting critic react by helping them? The exact people who see no problem in having embraced those people to their bosom, like they're worthy of respect. Like they're goddamned Wikipedia critics, not the very thing rational people would be criticized about Wikipedia, as well as anything attributable to their WMF enemies.
The WMF folks don't spend all day on English Wikipedia, though, so they might have taken a cursory look at his past attacks on other admins, and thought he could be picked off without too much blowback. That's just a theory, though.
Yup, just another Wikipediocracy theory, which never fit the facts. They knew who he was. Yet again they inexplicably forget something that undermines their conspiracy theory - most T&S staff are deeply embedded volunteers, previously respected and admired by the scum, until they directly addressed the scum problem, with a megaton sized message. They knew enough to specifically choose him as the perfect target to send the message they wanted to send. All of this has explained before here, with Jake either too confused by its logic, or just plain stubborn, if not wholly in bed with the scum, to acknowledge there are critics out there who know this stuff better than his shower of shit clown school, and are prepared to do something about it.
So keep going Jake. This is how you go down, by trying. You shouldn't have even tried. I did warn you.
Amateurs.