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Get ready to get fucked over hard, en.wp veterans.
Just another example that his interest lies in what would make the en.wp veterans happy, joining them in their uprising against the evil Foundation.

Not a Wikipedia critic.

Not even close.

Why he even dislikes Eric Corbett, is a mystery. He is, after all, the veteran's favourite. Indispensable, or so it was said.


Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:44 am
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She's so grossly under qualified.

The uptalking, especially, makes me grind my teeth.

(She is Katherine.)
Help me out, Vig. Why? What do you see what I mis? What is wrong in what she is saying?

Look, WMF has given you guys anything you asked for. A luxury office with staf and director in Utrecht? You got it. A Brussels Office? Here you are. Jobs in institutions? You got it. Money for conferences? Even in the same building as the Nobel winers. The Erasmus price out of the hands of our king? Here you are.
SanFanBans? Of course. Porn gender articles to keep the boys happy including a horney mail address? Why not.

But what have you guys made out of it?

A digital junk yard!

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Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:22 am
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Nobody should ever have to put up with that kind of shit to edit a website.
The sort of shit Fram does to his victims?

No, of course not. He's talking about the way Fram has been treated by ArbCom.

Who haven't even banned him! (so Fram can "edit" Wikipedia all he wants, that's just not something that appeals, lacking as it does the ability to play cop).


Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:01 am
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Nobody should ever have to put up with that kind of shit to edit a website.

He's talking about perceived "condescending attitude". Was there? No, not at all. ArbCom is treating Fram like an Easter egg. Even if there was condescending attitude, it's not against the rules. Not an argument.
We see a proper application of undue weight. Blowing up a subjective perception, to outweigh the real hostility. Editors have to put up with "Fuck you" and the like, but condescending attitude, that's a problem... :lol:


Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:01 am
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Strange that her response to this thread was immediate and we're still waiting for her response to the Maria Sefidari Huici/Laura Hale corruption debacle.

Ahhhh, just fuck of Vig. Your so called Maria Sefidari Huici/Laura Hale corruption debacle exist only between your ears. I can give list and list of Eurocrap free loaders who have done soooooo much less than Laura has done for there money, Why don't you target them? And for the rest, I presume Katherine must make choices, and why should she spend her time on a few idiots waving with pirate flags?

Listen Vig, as you notice yourself she is reading the critical fora, and she is absolute able to understand who is selling total crap and who is not. And I have not any interest to sell crap. Why should I? Why shouldn't I not tell the plane true what has happend the past years on WP-NL? Or, opposite, tell lies to hurt people? These peeps don't interest me Vig, I don't know them and want to keep it that way.

That the reason I am so upset they start there GLAM projects now almost in my back garden, Vig, and try to intervene with there wikishit in to my social surrounding. You won't believe it, they have tried to convince personal friends of me of the blessing of wikipedia there. They have told me.
They must leave me alone, they just must fuck off there. For my part they hold there shitty meetings in all the rest of Holland, but not there. I think they own that to me after all what has happen, and if not so I booth them in the very hard way in person out there, and properly also complete out of Holland.

https://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nieuwsbrief/85

You have done me really harm, go away there! Just fuck off there, I have said it so many times to you, how stupide can someone be to start in MY social surrounding a wiki café, to start in the social surrounding of the only SanFanBan winner of Europe a wikimedia activity?

You know where you guys all belong? In a clinic! I am serious, you all belong in a clinic. They must lock you up!
This is total madness. De wiki waanzin ten top!

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A broken man.
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In the interests of fair treatment, if Fram has to do a reconfirmation RfA, then maybe every member of ARBCOM should stand for reconfirmation as well?
He actually took time out of his busy work schedule, to bring the world that vacuous piece of garbage. Actually spent time typing it, and sending it, into the interwebs.

I think I might finally have to tell the Washington Post to hang up the phone. No sexy corruption scandal for them. Just business as usual, at Clown Central.


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In the interests of fair treatment, if Fram has to do a reconfirmation RfA, then maybe every member of ARBCOM should stand for reconfirmation as well?

:lol: And also every checkuser, bureaucrat and for truly universal fairness, all admins, cause there are much worse admins, than Fram, who also deserve to be demoted.
Let's go for it, after all Wikipedia (and the whole world) is all about fairness.


Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:31 pm
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How do ARBCOM and the WMF plan to make Fram whole after holding him in unjust detention for 100 days.

Simple Vig. Not. Fram is booted out, the area Fram is over.
That was where this office action was about, to kick the toxic Fram out.

Sorry for your lost.

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Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:48 am
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Remedy 1a of this decision and its supporting principles and findings are passing, and so Fram shall be unbanned immediately, without awaiting the close of the case. The remainder of the decision remains pending. As the status of Fram's sysop rights has not been decided, Fram is not to be resysopped during this interim period.

As you wished, sir. :mrgreen:

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Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:42 am
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Man alive. Imagine having been silly enough to think this Guy.....
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Thank you for doing the right thing. As I've said repeatedly, this si less about Fram and more about due process, which he certainly did not get. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:40, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

@Beeblebrox; it's quite true that Fram did not enjoy the protections of due process in this case, nor did the WMF or ArbCom follow due process. The case is a sham on the face of it because of this, regardless of whatever wrongdoings Fram may or may not have committed. If this case had actually been in court, I strongly suspect it would have been thrown out with prejudice because the prosecution (the WMF and to some extent ArbCom) refused to provide the defense (Fram) with the evidence against them. But let's be clear; Fram, nor any of us, have any right of due process here. The only thing we have here is the Terms of Use. We can either choose to abide by them or leave. What is quite chilling is that the WMF still maintains that it can hold evidence against you without your knowledge and potentially act on that evidence without your having any chance of rebuttal. It doesn't matter that the WMF has handed this case to ArbCom. The situation that created this crisis remains the same, only the symptoms of it are changing (Fram being unbanned). The disease remains. --Hammersoft (talk) 23:01, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

It would have been dismissed because WMF has plenary authority over editing rights on its websites. Guy (help!) 23:05, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
....was ever going to be your Guy in the fight for Justice for Fram.

Where would Guy be in his aims, if he wasn't acutely aware of the power that vests in him from the ToU?

Timmy just tried to get away with claiming you do your research and I'm just some enemy of my enemy type hack, when we both know the reverse is true. I know who these people are, and I can say what I want about them, unconstrained as I am by the sort of conflicted priorities you've bound yourself up with, in your weird efforts to help "veterans" like Beeblebrox. Who of course is junior to Guy by three whole years. Very useful, those snazzy uniform ribbons they like to wear.

So you can thank Timmy for me bringing up this example. Take his lunch money, buy yourself something nice.


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