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Vigilant goes after Jimbo hammer & tongs on Reddit AMA

Post by Abd » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:44 pm

IamA Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikipedia now trying a totally new social network concept WT.Social AMA!
So, Jimbo has a new project. There is a lot to criticize about the history of Wikipedia and the reality behind the hype, but what Vigilant brings to the table amounts only to slime, the expression of arrogant contempt, and hatred.

Jimbo wrote:
Out of every 1,000 people I think 990 of them are perfectly nice and wonderful. 9 of them are super annoying but not really actively malicious. And then there's that 1.
Vigilant's response was:
On en.wp?

LMAO!!!!

Are you just a miniTrump where anyone who critiques you in 'nasty'?
(1) Jimbo had not called anyone "nasty."
(2) Jimbo was right. Most people are nice, but social media have a way of concentrating the nasties, which is part of what Jimbo was talking about.
(3)That Vigilant comment has an astonishing -348 points.

There was a brief response:
Found the 1.
and Vigilant came back with:
Proud of it.

Holding shitheels' feet to the fire for over a decade.
Profile: WOvigilant
His post before that last one ("hammer and tongs") is an example of his "criticism." That's a pure personal attack. And such are a major part of why Wikipedia criticism has accomplished so little.

Jimbo is not the problem with Wikipedia. Sure, if he'd been wiser, it might have turned out better, but few are wise with first attempts at something. However, people who call others "shits" or "shitheels," with it being tolerated, are very much a symptom of the problem, whether it is on Wikipedia, Wikipediocracy (Vigilant's lair), or here or anywhere.

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Re: Vigilant goes after Jimbo hammer & tongs on Reddit AMA

Post by ericbarbour » Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:56 am

This is all I would expect of Vig. His whole online career seems to rotate around jeering--at someone, anyone.

I would agree with you--if one is to criticize Wales online, use the FACTS to criticize him. I've got a nice collection. (BTW, Ed broght the POV wiki back up yesterday. http://www.logicmuseum.com/x/index.php?title=Main_Page)

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Re: Vigilant goes after Jimbo hammer & tongs on Reddit AMA

Post by Abd » Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:00 am

Not surprising, Vigilant strikes back. https://www.reddit.com/user/WOVigilant/
That is all Vigilant smear, some of it is astonishingly stupid even for him. WPOVigilant wrote:
Abd aka Dennis George Lomax is a numerologist from the way back.

https://www.answering-islam.org/Religio ... uruwr.html

https://answering-islam.org/Religions/N ... llah2.html

Absolute batshittery. Take nothing he says at face value. He is DSM-V insane.
The cited pages show the opposite of his claim. It was "anti-numerology." Even the RationalWikian troll that created the article from which Vigilant is taking much, probably, acknowledged that Martin Gardner, the well-known skeptic (and one of my favorite writers when I was a teenager) cited my study of that issue.

Vigilant cites the story of the Murabitun, which does not illustrate what he claims at all. I was asked to leave a group and I did not make them wrong, I simply left, and later I connected briefly with that teacher and it was all positive. What is cited is a blog that quoted me, and added "shady cult." The fact is that at that time the "Murabitun" did not exist. And there is nothing there about me being "fucked over." Vigilant has totally lost it. His first comment was a reply to what I'd written in the Jimbo AMA thread. As you can see, it has been deleted. I doubt he deleted it. Here is what it had:
WOVigilant commented on IamA Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikipedia now trying a totally new social network concept
WOVigilant
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22:04:13 GMT 30 December 2019
Abd aka Dennis George Lomax is a known net.kook. He has been kicked out of nearly every community for being a complete shithead.

Judge for yourselves.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php? ... d=17694317

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Abd_ul-Rahman_Lomax

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/a ... hman-lomax

https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiInAction/c ... awsuit_on/

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/index. ... id=1020097

He's an old, insane, irrelevant idiot with terminal Dunning-Kruger's disease.
Yes, WMF banned. Yes, there is a RatWiki article (started by the person who engineered that ban).

But the knowyourmeme page was copied from RatWiki by a user now toast, it was never approved.

The WiA post was one of two posts by a throwaway account, the other post was about a favorite Oliver Smith target. (and I never socked on RatWiki like that. Those were impersonation socks. The Smiths have hundreds of blocked accounts there, and Oliver Smith was banned. Darryl is still occasionally active as a known account.

As to Encyclopedia Dramatica, this troll cited an old version, written by Oliver Smith, who is blocked on sight there, he was tolerated for a time. While ED is not exactly my cup of tea, I am not blocked there (there was a point where Oliver Smith was creating several socks a day and I put up a subpage about something that he had written and was blocked for a time as it was considered "unfunny."

Actually, I thought it was hilarious. But, hey . . . YMMV!

I was unblocked before ED went down, then, when it came back up, an impersonation sock was created there with my name, but that was seen, I was informed by an ED sysop, and I re-registered and usurped that account, and I may edit if I choose. Someone wrote a new version of the article on me. I have no idea who did that. It is not a typical ED article, it is accurate but very brief.

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Re: Vigilant goes after Jimbo hammer & tongs on Reddit AMA

Post by Abd » Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:08 pm

Vigilant dumped a large pile of trolling comments on Reddit. Vigilant represents very much of what "sucks" about Wikipedia critique.

Instead of filling up Reddit threads -- this was all off-topic, but trolls don't care about crap like "topic" when they have an opportunity attack their favorite targets -- I wrote a detailed response on my blog, and putting links to specific comment anchors on that page, as very brief Reddit comments. And he really doesn't like it when one doesn't engage with him in situ. To him, it's cowardice. To me, it is simply DNFTT.

Comment is open on that page. The Smith socks also showed up with their usual usual.

Remarkable to see Vigilant citing them as if reliable source. And the WMF ban as if T&S "investigations" were reliable. It's obvious: whatever works to attack someone who dared to describe what Vigilant the Great Shitsmeller has done, he will use. Facts don't matter, only maximum snark. Wikipediocracy has long been infected with it.

On sucks -- member-only forum, http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtop ... this point Vigilant holds forth about Sucks, and he, with a little help from his friends, keeps piling it on.

Thanks for the friendly comment, Zoloft. Yes, I was a prison chaplain and I know what it's like for inmates.

And, yes, "Abd mentioned in one of his voluminous outpourings that Child Protective Services had been called on him multiple times." I raised seven children and at various points and for various reasons, reports were made and mandatory reporting laws -- which I fully support -- requires investigation. Most reports were handled with a case being opened, but in one case, there was an open case for months, a child with some severe problems, and I'm quite proud of how I handled that, and there were social workers quite impressed as well. She's doing very, very well. To the haters, anything that can look bad is to be asserted as if it proves something. If there someone claims X or Y about a target, why, it must be true!

And so fake news is created, by trolls. And critics lose credibility.

After being completely creamed by the Redditors in the Wales AMA, and after his obsessive posting about me, Vigilant came back with one more shot (which is being ignored. Reddit is about Hot!!!)
ButtsexEurope 29 days ago
So you call yourself a libertarian. Yet your website is basically anarcho-communist and runs on donations. How do you reconcile this?

Also, how many yachts have you since purchased with the money from the last wikipedia begathon?

Jimmy Wales 27 days ago

I don't have any yachts. But it might be important for you to know that I don't take a salary or any other compensation for my work for Wikipedia. Never have. I don't even ask for reimbursement for my plane tickets when I travel to board meetings.

WOVigilant 1 day ago

What about the time you had your WMF credit card revoked for trying to get reimbursement for a trip to a Russian massage parlor?
So I looked this story up. It's a good example of how some possible core of fact is framed to make it look as bad as possible.

The credit card story on Wikinews. Most of this story is at the level of rumor and innuendo. Further, this was all quite old, more than a decade ago, and expense account sloppiness is pretty common. Wales was not talking about back then, but about his recent activities. So this was pure trolling, as if what may have happened more than ten years ago bears on present behavior. The story was that he "tried" to be reimbursed for those things, which could mean many different things.

This is not Wikipedia critique, it is very personal attack on Jimbo Wales, who is not terribly relevant any more. I do generally agree with the assessment of Alex Roshuk. There is much that can be criticized about Wales' role with Wikipedia (and he deserves some credit as well.) The very personal attacks discredit the critical community.

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Re: Vigilant goes after Jimbo hammer & tongs on Reddit AMA

Post by Abd » Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:13 am

And joining Vigilant in the Reddit Circus: Genuine, undiluted Smith socks! Very Special!

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Re: Vigilant goes after Jimbo hammer & tongs on Reddit AMA

Post by Strelnikov » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:52 pm

Having my own Reddit problems with Vigilant:

WOVigilant 2 points 2 days ago
And nothing of value was lost...


Heywood121 point 2 days ago
You still crushin' puppies for kicks?



WOVigilant 1 point 1 day ago
You still wrong about everything?

http://wikipedia-sucks-badly.blogspot.c ... cracy.html


Abdlomax 2 points 1 day ago
Interesting. Thanks for the link, Vigilant.


WOVigilant 1 point 1 day ago
Oh god, now you're a fanboi?

Is there anything you don't suck at?


Abdlomax 2 points 1 day ago*
Is there any comment you will not turn immediately into some kind of insult? First of all, I follow WiA through a bot link on what used to be the Wikipediocracy Discord server, so I saw this discussion. Second, the blog in question is operated by one of the two owners of WikipediaSucks.co as you would presumably know.

This is pure Vigilant. Fact-free, hatred and bile, anonymously dished up, shit for the shit-eaters. I think I'll mention Alan P. Petrofsky, because I can.

How about crawling back under your bridge, where you can hold forth without facing the light of day. Response also on my blog.



WOVigilant 1 point 23 hours ago
They made you a mod so now you're going to try to be an attack dog?

Damn, son.

You work cheap.



Abdlomax 2 points 22 hours ago
response on my blog



WOVigilant1 point 21 hours ago
I'm a very good driver, yeah...



Heywood121 point 1 day ago
Dingbat, you denied you were Alan P. Petrofsky. Also that blog post never claimed you were Petrofsky, just that you might be him. So who are you?


WOVigilant 1 point 1 day ago
Not Al Petrofsky.

Dingbat.

Heywood121 point 1 day ago
Vigilant: Internet Tough Guy.

I can keep up the name-calling all year.

You were a shitweasel when I was involved with Wikipediocracy, and you are a childish dink today.

***

All that from this post: https://old.reddit.com/r/WikiInAction/c ... kovs_blog/
Still "Globally Banned" on Wikipedia for the high crime of journalism.

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Post by Abd » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:25 pm

Fascinating. His device for "having the last word," posting a complete irrelevancy. Perhaps it allows him to think that he "won." It's also trolling for his target to carry on as if the irrelevancy were offensive, which then would provide more material for his campaign of abuse. "I'm a very good driver." What? the context:
Abdlomax 2 points 1 day ago
response on my blog

WOVigilant 1 point 1 day ago
I'm a very good driver, yeah...
I think he finally figured out that every trollpost he made gave me an excuse to flog the blog.

Damn! I should have figured this out years ago, but . . . I didn't. And I didn't have a blog, though I've had a wiki for many years.

Obviously a I'm a dingbat, or some other belfry dweller. Live and learn. "Too soon old and too late schmart."

But it's never too late.
We can be dying and start laughing. Smart.

Heh! Vigilant, dungbat.

Vigilant, I hereby condemn you to live with yourself for the rest of your miserable life. I can't think of anything worse.

And the great part of this is that it is only a "punishment" if he continues with his identity. One small apology could turn it all around, but if I expected that, I'd be what he claims. Clueless.

Strelnikov, be aware that hatred is contagious. I wrote dungbat because it's funny in the context of what he has written to me about my "bat." I would agree that there is a reasonable meaning to shitweasel that applies to Vigilant, he revels in shit. But it's dangerous. And very easily critical fora become shitfests.

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Post by Abd » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:05 pm

Meanwhile, Vigilant has gone silent. Perhaps he's figured out that I'm reading his Wikipediocracy comments, and it might have occurred to him that I might do something "autistic," like make an index to his Wikipediocracy corpus (emphasis on "pus"), all 18,000 of them, to then allow them to be studied as to character and other possible points that only an autist would care about.

How many times has he referred to "shit". How many of his posts refer to someone else as an idiot or the like? What has he done of possible redeeming value?

I'm not autistic, but I do have the capacity, on occasion, to do something that someone like Vigiilant will think "autistic." I collected the last 5000 global locks by stewards, and started to analyze them, and as it became possible to see the results enough to draw conclusions -- which I had not done -- and in spite of the fact that the project had been encouraged by some stewards, the Italians suppressed it and threatened me with a lock if I even so much as asked for undeletion.

(And that the other stewards allowed this to happen convinced me that the global community was not viable.)

And the reason for the suppression was obvious, this study would show that one steward stood out from all the rest, and guess what steward possibly took a role in that activity on Wikiversity that led to deletions of long-accepted work and my block?

Why, what a coincidence!

My "autism" gets me in trouble. There are people who really don't want reality to be visible, because they can hide in the flow.

He doesn't have the power to stop me. What's he gonna do, out me? But I'm already totally out. That was Auggie's problem, he was trying to be a manager of a critical forum when he was vulnerable. Bad idea, but Auggie did not know how to turn over leadership, very much. I saw that on encyc, very clearly.

(And it is perfectly possible that Vigilant is simply busy with something else. Crushin' puppies, whatever. This is really only a two-day gap. He was gone for 6 days ending the 26th Dec. It's usually several posts per day, and most of his posts have become evidence-free, so they don't take long to write. Just see something and react with some pissy snark.)

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Re: Vigilant goes after Jimbo hammer & tongs on Reddit AMA

Post by JuiceBeetle » Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:38 am

It seems to me that Vigilant is alone in his favorite hobby of harassment without his soul-mate Crow, thus looking for new "playmates". Now that the easy targets are gone and forgotten, he sounds desperate, taking cheap shots at anyone he can reach... and that's becoming less every day.
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Re: Vigilant goes after Jimbo hammer & tongs on Reddit AMA

Post by Abd » Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:59 pm

Vigilant has continued because of the claque at Wikipediocracy. Katie chimed in first.
by Katie » Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:58 pm [public copy]
Abd wrote a very long post about Vigilant, linked here: link. It's rambling, confusing, and has cheap shots against Vigilant.
It is pretty common that the 'pediots like Katie don't know the difference between a page and a post. Blog posts are presented to the public, in date order, as items of interest. Pages are used to collect information and evidence, sometimes with added commentary. That page is a list of Vigilant's recent Reddit posts, and they were all quoted and linked. Instead of answering Vigilant on Reddit, for the most part, I provided corrective response (and additional analysis) on that page. Of course it is, as a page, "rambling," because Vigilant was all over the map. Katie is confused by reality and needs someone to spoon-feed it to her. Perhaps the page contains some cheap shots, he really does invite them, but what does she think of Vigilant's following post that she encouraged? Cogent, coherent critique?
by Vigilant » Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:28 pm [public copy]
Atrophied Baby Dick is still nursing a traumatic butthurt because I beat his ass like a drum on r/wikiinaction.
Vigilant continues to make obvious what I showed on that page, if anyone cares to read it. Otherwise it will be summarized, but that takes time.
For now, did he "beat" my "ass like a drum on r/wikiinaction"? Really, what do others think?
The page cited has links to all his comments and they can be seen in context,

He left that field, it appears to me, with his tail between his legs if not up his ass. With one exception, nobody was accepting his crap. The exception: a set of throwaway accounts (no post history, documented on another page) very visible as Darryl Smith socks. And I've been getting massive troll sock commentary on the blog from accounts like "Vigilant is a hero" mixed with other Smith rants.

Like many trolls, he believes he has "won" because he Said Something. But his game is actually "Who Can Be the Biggest Asshole"? He wins at that, usually. I win at survival (technically, a game we all lose, but . . . there is then the remaining time for humanity on this planet), peer-reviewed publications, and open honesty, as well as with a few people who actually read what I write and either learn something, or correct me, which helps me learn.

Vigilant went on, with an obvious agenda:
I would advise strongly against visiting his site without anti-malware software installed. He has a long history of using website honeypots to capture people's IP and agent string for later doxing and harassment.
It appears that Vigilant is aware of something that would be quite obscure, except to the Smith family. Every web site has an access log, which contains IP and user agent information. IP information is presented to a WordPress admin with every comment. There was one case where it was of interest who had read a certain page and acted on it. In that one case, I found the access log entry and provided the information to WMF stewards for use. There was no actual personal information, only a connection between something otherwise fully anonymous and another account, also anonymous.

So what is interesting to me here is that Vigilant knows about that example, believes it was abusive, and that opinion connects him with the Smiths. He is not a Smith brother, but he is cooperating with them, like certain Wikipedians. There is no malware installed on the site, it is a standard WordPress installation. Wikipediocracy administration has the same information, any web site owner with domain access can see it.

Vigilant is an enemy of genuine wiki critique, and there are those who swallow his deceptions.

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