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Post by CrowsNest » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:42 pm

Criticising this guy was starting dominate the cowards thread, so in the interests of good forum management, he is now independently notable. Which is probably the most significant thing that has happened in his life this year. Nobody who doesn't understand how a filter works, and then has a hissy fit when it is pointed out, would ever be given a job, much less a promotion. And you certainly wouldn't be friends with him.

Today, he's just been doing his usual.
AndyTheGimp wrote:
SMcCandlish wrote:
...just give it a rest.

You dug up a thread which had been dead for two and a half years to say that?
The "..." was of course a ton of words by a new member, a rather significant Wikipedian, and reading it naturally showed the gimp to be wrong in his post, therefore most likely just trolling.

As is normal, the other resident cowards just let him do it, even joining in.

Presumably after some reflection, an oddity for him, the gimp decided he had better say something of substance in the topic. As is normal however, it was vacuous garbage.
I'd say that in an encyclopaedia, consistency is generally a good thing, so there is nothing wrong in principle with a Style Guide. In the case of Wikipedia however, there are far more fundamental issues to worry about (like a significant proportion of articles being utter dross, for a start), and the endless arguments over stylistic minutiae are not only a monumental time-sink for those involved, but a net negative to the project as a whole. That is assuming that participants actually consider encyclopaedic content to be the end goal, rather than treating it as a MMORPG, where the objective is to concoct 'rules', 'policies' and 'guidelines' of ever-increasing complexity, with the sole purpose of catching ones opponents out for failing to conform to them.

Bad content conforming to the MoS is far worse than good content with the odd stylistic error.
In this post, he displayed several basic and obvious errors in logic and understanding of Wikipedia. Get used to it, since that's basically his thing.

The time sink comes from bad Administration, arguably a systemically broken one, but that is hardly the relevant point. It is not unique to MoS issues, it holds them back right across the board. And there is no conflict between working toward content that conforms to a style guide, and good content at the same time, because by and large, the two types of work appeals to two different types of people.

His conclusion was of course just nonsense, since it is not an either or situation, and wrongly implied Wikipedia has a hope in hell of achieving even one of those things as an objective.

What this new member was arguing for, was for the fighting to stop. Which is why he concluded his post as follows......
Either make a case, for the community to examine, why WP should depart from book publishing norms and make up our own "some exceptions" rule, or should go with the journalistic four-letter style. Otherwise, just give it a rest.
It's a shame Wikipediocracy has a policy to protect and encourage dickheads, while banning critics. Because this is the end result.

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Re: AndyTheGimp

Post by CrowsNest » Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:45 am

Why am I globally locked?


Short answer. Because they can.

Long answer. Nobody has the 'right' to post on WMF websites, despite the 'anyone can edit' slogan (which is, as I've noted before, incompatible with the 'encyclopaedia' claim). If you play the game by the rules (or at least by whichever Calvinball rules currently apply), and don't get up too many peoples' noses, you may be tolerated. If you do the right thing (i.e. whatever enough other people would like you to do) you may even be given extra tools. If you get up too many peoples' noses, too often, they block you. That is all there is to it, really. Everything else is pseudolegalistic gloss, useful as a rhetorical device while playing Calvinball, but of no real external significance. They don't like you. They block you. Because they can.
What a waste of time.

Why do they tolerate people posting in such a crap way?

Allow me to demonstrate how a serious critic would have responded.....

Short answer:

19:42, 4 August 2018 Rxy (talk | contribs) changed status for global account "User:Paul Bedson@global": set locked; unset (none) (Cross-wiki abuse: w:nl:Wikipedia:Checklijst_langdurig_structureel_vandalisme/Paul_Bedson)

Long answer: A volunteer Steward, Rxy, has locked this person's access to any WMF website, based on the long list of allegations of breaches of the Terms of Use, as detailed in that link (despite the Dutch location, it is written in English).

Crticial analyisis: Despite what this fool says, they can't just block you because they can, or because they don't like you. The nature of the allegations are serious enough that it would appear to any reasonable observer that Rxy's action is logical and proportionate. However, because this isn't a legal matter, just a process for controlling access to a private website, then yes, there is a high likelihood of the charges have been over-blown or misrepresented, at best. At worst, they could be fabrications.

What is noteworthy in that respect, is that the list of allegations was drawn up by one user, MoiraMoira, just two days after having blocked the accused locally on Dutch Wikipedia. And the accused was globally locked the very same day the list was published. The accused has seemingly had no opportunity to respond to their global lock, and they seem to have only been given short shrift regarding appealing their Dutch block too, if at all. Naturally, it is hard to comment further, if you don't speak Dutch, which Andy most likely does not.

What is most bizarree, is the list of allegations appear to a curious mix of stuff from the last few months, and a bunch of stuff from 2013. One wonders if the case looks quite as strong on the face of it, if the old stuff were left out, or at least presented in a way that made it clear it was historical.

Also noteworthy, is that while Stewards are elected to their post, the process is not exactly onerous. Compared to the process to gain Admin rights on the local English Wikipedia, it looks like a breeze, Rxy having had to answer only one question directed specifically to him, and four others to all canddidates. He was only elected in February this year.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Categor ... tions_2018

Particular care should of course have been taken in this case, given it is alleged the accused is trying to promote a competitor of Wikipedia.

So, with all that in mind, there's reason to believe this decision to lock out this person from all WMF websites, was not taken with the sort of due care and attention a reasonable observer would conclude such an act would warrant.

But it's Wikipedia, so nobody cares. That situation may have been different, had Wikipediocracy not chosen to protect cowards like Andy, to the point of expelling serious critics like me for the crime of making him feel sad because he's such a useless prick. As a result, the people wronged by Wikipedia can't even get accurate answers to their questions, let alone answers that inform others. They're just treated to Andy being Andy.

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Re: AndyTheGimp

Post by Graaf Statler » Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:54 am

What worried me the most of this answers and the reaction of Ming was this is the way it is and I guess. They accept the complete rotten system, they think it is normal. It is normal members of a chapter trolls people out to save a complet worthless project, this is the way thinks are. It is a gang mentality, a out law mentality.

And as you can see I asked Jack what his position is in this matter, why criticism is only allowed to a certain level there. Criticism is allowed, but please not to hard hitting, otherwise the Wikipediocrazyans get upset.

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Re: AndyTheGimp

Post by CrowsNest » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:12 am

Well, you know their rules. If you keep making The Mong and The Gimp sad, you'll be kicked out again. I don't see anything particularly creepy about what you wrote about Maher, and I fear Jake is just trying to lay the ground work for your banning. Easier to justify it based on what you say about Maher, than the real reason will be for, namely what you say about his protected posters.

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Re: AndyTheGimp

Post by CrowsNest » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:25 pm

This forum needs a rule about people spamming it with endless threads promoting Ponzipedia.
Fucking hell. Their forum really doesn't need two Beeblebroxes. And frankly, the real Beeblebrox contributes more than this asshat.

PONZIPEDIA. GET IT? GET IT! :roll:

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Re: AndyTheGimp

Post by Dysklyver » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:38 pm

CrowsNest wrote:
This forum needs a rule about people spamming it with endless threads promoting Ponzipedia.
Fucking hell. Their forum really doesn't need two Beeblebroxes. And frankly, the real Beeblebrox contributes more than this asshat.

PONZIPEDIA. GET IT? GET IT! :roll:


The Feebleboxes are multiplying? :mrgreen:

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Re: AndyTheGimp

Post by Dysklyver » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:22 pm

The Grump officially hates paul now, in the hidden area there is a new thread:

Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:03 pm - AndyTheGrump wrote:AndyTheGrump's 'telling Paul Bedson to fuck off' thread.

Since it is apparent that Paul Bedson intends to spam this forum with drivel as long as he is able to (see e.g. http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtop ... =45&t=9705), I formally propose that he be told to fuck off and promote his technomoronic Ponzi scheme elsewhere.

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Re: AndyTheGimp

Post by CrowsNest » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:55 pm

How pathetic. But didn't I tell you, this is how they roll. Cowards and whiny little bitches. Andy does this sort of shit all the time.

I formally propose Jake stops fucking people around pretending he's running a critic site and just officially apply for grant funding as an actual WMF chapter organisation.

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Re: AndyTheGimp

Post by CrowsNest » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:53 pm

The gimp seriously tried to object to the media calling an episode of Wikipedia vandalism as hacking......

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7 ... interview/

Seriously. This is what he chooses to do with his time on Wikipediocracy. The so called Wikipedia criticism site.

He was utterly unconcerned at that fact that even though the page in question was the biography of one of the most famous broadcasters in Britain, and even though the vandalism called another living person, someone in the news right now, a "psycopath", he chose to focus solely on this example of "lazy journalism".

He wasn't even doing it for the benefit of readers, it was just a pathetic snipe at the other gimp Poetlister. This gimp on gimp action is what Wikipediocracy thinks is Wikipedia criticism. They think this is what people actually want to read.

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Re: AndyTheGimp

Post by CrowsNest » Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:03 pm

You seem to be under the misapprehension that Wikipediocracy has some sort of power over what people write on Wikipedia. You are mistaken.
Someone switch Andy's life support off and back on again. Or, well......

He seems to have overlooked the person he is talking to was asking Wikipediocracy member TNT to make an edit on Wikipedia to remove a personal attack. They were presumably asking because not just anyone can do that obviously, and the page it was on is semi-protected anyway.

They needn't have singled out TNT either, he could have asked Boing!, Beeblebrox, wbm, Mason, Black Kite, Dennis Brown, New York Brad, and a few I've probably forgotten. And that's just the fucking Administrators, there's plenty of active ordinary Wikipedia editors with the necessary social capital required to excise a personal attack, who are members too.

If you want an edit made to Wikipedia, fast, well, where else would you ask? There's probably less wikishits monitoring the goddamned Help Desk on any given day, right? And you hardly want to encourage people to use IRC, do you Andy?

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