Mendaliv wrote:Yeah, that's why I get a little pissed when I see the "you aren't speaking for the whole community here" comments at WP:FRAM. On every other process we have other than except ArbCom elections, WP:FRAM has more participation than the overwhelming majority of all other actions. And of course, when that argument fails, comes "But won't anyone think of the unborn children unregistered users?"
HEY DICKHEADS.10920 wrote:Ah yes, the "silent majority", which always must agree with whatever the minority opinion is......I was merely restating that WP:FRAM basically is the community......I just dislike when people say the page doesn't represent the community. The "community" isn't really that large.
I know you can't be this retarded, but let's have it right. The silent majority are the thousands of people who have either simply never edited Wikipedia, or only did so for a short time, because it's such a toxic shit pit. The silent minority are the few decent editors who looked at FRAMBAN and decided they were safer just not saying anything, even though their thoughts would have been no more controversial than what the even tinier minority who did find the courage to post, were saying.
HEY DICKHEAD.The_Elusice_Claw wrote:It does not matter whether the relationship is intimate or not: they are obviously, at the very least, good friends. That in itself is enough to create the COI: Raystorm has not acted cleanly in this matter, and her actions have been determined solely by her friendship with a rather toxic individual. It also doesn't matter one iota that these two are both women: the genders involved are immaterial. There is a (at least) a close friendship, and that creates a COI
Not everyone is as thick as the people on Wikipediocracy, it is well known by non shit-talkers that a COI exists and has to be mitigated even if all that exists is a friendship, and no malfeasance is implied by that mitigation, which on Wikipedia is obviously recusal, not something ridiculous like resignation. The party involved here recused. Their hands are more than clean in the matter of investigating Fram, unless you have access to the sort of evidence which obviously none of the chuckleheads at Wikipediocracy has, otherwise they would have had a collective orgasm by now.
What serious people will want to know is, why the required recusals weren't seen in how the supposedly self-governing community responded to FRAMBAN? Bishonen and Floquenbeam - as close friends as it is possible for Wikipedians to be. Katie, their friend in the Arbitration committee, failing to recuse in the matter of judging their abuse of tools, and indeed making a classic error of believing she had mitigated, when she's done precisely the opposite. Let's not even get started on the conflicts that have compromised Doc James and Jimmy.
Does this sort of thing even concern you, Mr. Claw? As a Wikifuckwit, I'm guessing not.
HEY DICKHEAD!Poetlster wrote:Members of the WMF Board are not above scrutiny. Her conduct needs to be investigated by an impartial outsider, and she must be held fully accountable.
What impartial outsider has ever been allowed to investigate the conduct of Board member Doc James? I'll settle for seeing the full minutes and emails of his spat with Jimmy, because you know as well as I do that he is guilty as charged. You're a big fan of him and his supposed benefit to Wikipedia compared to the limited abilities of people smart enough to spot someone so addicted to the cult they probably put people's lives at risk in their actual job because of it, so maybe consider that next time you're flapping your gums about accountability, like you give a shit. The possibility of impartial outsiders investigating anything on Wikipedia is one of the dumbest things a supposed critic could ever say about the cult.
Three to five Board seats come from the community, which gives them block veto powers over any of the other four seats that are theoretically entirely open to total outsiders. Serious critics would be asking the question, is that not enough accountability to ensure questions are asked and satisfactory answers are obtained? If the entirely made up threat of Wikipedia building a Google competitor was enough for James to find his voice, why the fuck isn't he screaming his head off now?
Either the community has no influence at Board level, and they are all fools for trusting these people to have their backs, or the entire conspiracy theory is just a bunch of bullshit. Given the stupidity of Wikipedians and Wikipediocrats, both are equally likely.
As any fool could appreciate, if there even was a conspiracy here, it would not have been committed to print, nor would have anything been said in front of a third party. Best you have, is unspoken and presumed influence on those in subordinate positions of power. And shiiiiiiit, if that's your issue, why ignore the fact this happens on a daily, if not hourly basis, in the precious self-governing community? Not a bug, but a feature.
HEY DICKHEAD.Moral_Hazard wrote:Don't most articles of incorporation and bylaws require regular meetings announced in advance, with prompt minutes?
Don't minutes have a basic purpose of informing those not present at a meeting as to what was said and whether anything should be done about it? Did the precious self-governing community prove itself capable of even this basic level of competency? Is there a reason why you pieces of shit keep ignoring these basic and obvious issues with your conspiracy theory, as you continue to pursue one single women who you can't even be sure made the complaint that triggered the investigation that got flagged up in the minutes and was missed (or more likely deliberately ignored) by the precious ARBCOM?
HEY DICKHEAD.You know, given that the WMF employed an obnoxious jackass like Ironholds for years (and probably still would be employing him if he hadn't left), I find their behaviour extremely hypocritical.
Ironholds was an internal hire, plucked for greatness from the volunteer ranks, where he had served with distinction as an Administrator and coder. Sooner or later, you're all going to have to face up to the fact that as bad as all these people are or are claimed to be by the precious self-governing community, it is precisely the community that helped them onto that career ladder. You absolutely suck at spotting and removing toxic people from positions of power. Who is the Foundation supposed to hire, if not the best people you claim to have?
I mean, fuuuuck. Have you ever actually found anyone in the WMF guilty of high crimes against the community, who wasn't an internal hire? Apart from Lila of course. And we all know why you forced her out........or maybe some of you don't. Look it up some time. Oh no, wait, that would be something a community that could actually trust it's elected representatives to be open and transparent with them about important matters of State, would be able to do.