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Jimmy tweeted "Now I am British" on 13 September.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jimmy_wales/ ... 7219784705

This includes a picture of him front of a portrait of the Queen, next to the British flag, and holding an unreadable certificate.

Despite the fact Jimmy Wales' biography is fully protected, i.e. only editable by Wikipedia's most trusted editors, and despite the fact this Tweet isn't remotely sufficient to support such a change under Wikipedia policy, somehow it is still the case that as of right now, Jimmy Wales is a "British-American internet entrepreneur".

The Administrator who made that change, just a couple hours after it, specifically cited that Tweet, but only in the edit history. The page content as delivered now falsely implies to the reader that the "British-American"-ness of Jimmy can be verified by reading the contents of a 2011 article in the Jerusalem Post or a 2013 piece in New York Times Magazine, the general public having been brainwashed into believing the presence of those little numbers at the end of a line meaning the content has been checked against the given source.

This suspect content has stood, unchallenged, much less unremoved (as Wikipedia policy demands in this situation) for three whole days.

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Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:28 am
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Interesting, I can tell by the layout of the paragraphs and colour that it's a naturalisation certificate Jimmy is holding there, but by no means is that photo a reliable source for Wikipedia.

I guess this is where the admins ignore all rules. :?

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Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:41 pm
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Funny if someone is saying now I am British, feels a bit transgender. Is it posible for a American to become British? Or are you a American with a naturalisation certificate in that case? :roll:
Or are the cultures so close thist different doesn't exist?

Ok, it's only a tweet, anyway congrads Jimmy, but makes this him a British-American internet entrepreneur or is he a American internet entrepreneur and later in the article he has also the British nationality?
Difficult.

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Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:38 pm
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Dysklyver wrote:
Interesting, I can tell by the layout of the paragraphs and colour that it's a naturalisation certificate Jimmy is holding there, but by no means is that photo a reliable source for Wikipedia.

I guess this is where the admins ignore all rules. :?
Nah. I'm sure that's not what you were trying to say, but for the benefit of any idiot Wikipedians reading, "ignore all rules" doesn't cover this at all.

Nope, the reason this horrifically bad edit can happen and is allowed to stand, is quite easy to deconstruct.

First, the Administrator who did it is so clearly one of those legacy Administrators, who gained their advanced rights years before such things were even a concern, and has managed to keep them even though their edit history makes it clear their policy knowledge is unlikely to be current.

Second, the culture on Wikipedia has never really changed from those early years. So sure, while the edit is horrific when measured against current policy, it stands because ultimately, the Wikipediots don't really believe it could be false, and they think readers might benefit from knowing Jimmy is now British.

Policy exists for a reason. Being true is not enough, and assessing relevance is better done objectively. At best, this is a citogensis incident in the making. At best.

The Wikipediots have ignored their rules here, because they are not serious about building an encyclopedia. They know the world already thinks they are one, so why bother enforcing the rules that ensure they might be one some day?

It would be informative to know what Jimmy thinks. How come he hasn't said anything about how bad the edit is? Does he even think it is bad? Does he even know it has happened? If not, why not?

For those wanting to understand how the Wikipedians get away with it, time after time, year after year, it's worth noting how the supposed criticism site Wikipediocracy covered this issue. Their only interest has been in terms of how they can use it to abuse and smear Jimmy.

Wikipediocracy have nothing to say on the Wikipedia angle. Literally nothing. And one of their highly respected members is the Wikiprat who claims he is doing something about the problem of legacy Admins. All he is doing is giving outsiders a false sense of security, because his efforts are laughably inadequate (removing an Administrator as bad as this should be the starting point, not something that might happen in a decade or so, if he keeps plugging away with his pathetic reforms). And all Wikipediocracy are doing, is protecting him from criticism.

They recently hosted a blog post by Fram, another asshole of the Wikipedia Administration who thinks they're helping to reform the place. His blog post laughably painting a picture of Wikipedia as a place where an edit like this is caught instantly, whereas it would persist for days in WikiData. Absolute propaganda.

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Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:32 am
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It's a crazy edit.

Now we are all Dutch. :mrgreen:

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And you know why he did this---his wife is both a UK native AND deeply connected to the Tony Blair social scene. Plus there's been some talk about Jimbo preferring to live in the UK because their libel laws are more favorable to the "professional public asshole" type. I suspect this is why there are no honest books or other mass-media documentation of Wikipedia's history; or of Jimbo's history.

Jimmy don't need no "weasel words" no more. He got the whole Weasel Pie.


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Ach Jimmy. Let Jimmy. Jimmy was a internet cowboy in the beginning of the internet as it is nowadays, tried to make a few greens with some total innocent porn, typed "Hello World" and got the complete holy shit over him. Seen Jimmy's talents to run firms this succes was absolutea miracle, something Jimmy knows himself dammed well. And it didn't make him extreem rich, but he looks happy with that paper in his hand under the eyes of the queen mam. And that's the most important and it was only a shitty tweet. Jimmy is not the devil some try to make out of him.

I said it many times before, once said Jimmy I blew so many things in my life, but out of Wikipedia I want to make to a succes. And it is a good thing Jimmy blew it so often in his life, because I think he knows now what to do and not to do. And that is listen to the right people, and he made a good choice to give it in the hands of Katherine. Clever girl, good view, not some half crazy flipped gender idiot. i like her, yes I really do. She has good humor.

And for the rest let all that idiots just fuck themself. If that software is fixed with that visual editor and all the free loader and lunatics are booted out or run away themself, well, it will all fix itself, I have no worries. And your and Steln's book will be gold Eric, because it is a very, very interesting chronicle about the beginning of a new medium, the internet. Mark my words.
And I think both Larry and Jimmy later, if I not be here will be seen as extreem important pioneers of the internet. Pioneers don't have to be perfect, they seldom are, keep that in mind.

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Graaf Statler wrote:
Seen Jimmy's talents to run firms this succes was absolutea miracle, something Jimmy knows himself dammed well.

Yes, "miracle" is the only word we can use. Wales is NOT a competent leader, nor a reliable one. And he's clearly not a rational or empathic human being. The guy should be a janitor, not a "hero of the internet".

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And it didn't make him extreem rich, but he looks happy with that paper in his hand under the eyes of the queen mam.

Believe me---I watched the whole People's Operator mess rise and fall, and I watched the rise of Wikia (as much as possible, since it's one of the most opaque corporations in the world). Wales wants to be filthy rich. He has made that clear enough thru his deeds and his shitty attitude. And he is EXTREMELY ANGRY that he didn't become a Web billionaire, and I think he will take that rage to the grave. But he's simply not smart, focused or ruthless enough.


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Graaf Statler wrote:
Seen Jimmy's talents to run firms this succes was absolutea miracle, something Jimmy knows himself dammed well.

Yes, "miracle" is the only word we can use. Wales is NOT a competent leader, nor a reliable one. And he's clearly not a rational or empathic human being. The guy should be a janitor, not a "hero of the internet".

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And it didn't make him extreem rich, but he looks happy with that paper in his hand under the eyes of the queen mam.

Believe me---I watched the whole People's Operator mess rise and fall, and I watched the rise of Wikia (as much as possible, since it's one of the most opaque corporations in the world). Wales wants to be filthy rich. He has made that clear enough thru his deeds and his shitty attitude. And he is EXTREMELY ANGRY that he didn't become a Web billionaire, and I think he will take that rage to the grave. But he's simply not smart, focused or ruthless enough.

No, of course is Jimmy not the competent leader, the genius, the miracle, the pope or name it! That's the reputation the wikipedians have given him. Jimmy is de gemiddelde boerenlul (advanced farmers dick) like we all are but also not stupide and for sure not some mean devil. I think he is just as surprised as anyone this complete insane wiki formula worked at all!
A tja, Jezus Christ, billionaire. You are talking about that grave. Well, I can guarantee Jimmy if he is dying he is NOT thinking on his bank account. And I think he must be grateful for every penny he made with this complete nonsense project. Because the greatest miracle of all is it not only survived, but also has made enough money to transform it to, yes to a real good project! It has the potency in it.

And don't forget all of that Silicon boy where just normal guys like you and me, Eric, who where just on the right time on the right place. And what I said before ,a pioneer does't have to be perfect, he seldom is.
And seen the tremendous amount of business blunders, drama's with woman and other disasters is Jimmy on the age he is now the perfect person to lead a transition of wikipedia. He has simple made almost every mistake a man can make in his life. There are no mistakes left for him to make! He is the man!

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