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Transgender Criticism yields a non- NPOV Hissy Fit

Post by wexter » Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:58 am

Even English can be Misgendered in a fit of PC rage.. something has been erected here and its not a billboard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abigail_Shrier
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Abigail Krauser Shrier is a journalist for the Wall Street Journal and the author of the book Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters which has proved controversial for its views about transgender issues and its use of unreliable testimony.[1]:ch Introduction[2][3]


In 2020, her book Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters[7][8] was published by Regnery Publishing. The book was based on and supports the theory of socially mediated gender dysphoria,[9] citing a widely discredited[10][11][12][13] descriptive study published by Lisa Littman in a 2018.[14] The study notably did not include any trans people, rather parents of trans children were recruited from various anti-trans web forums.[15][16][17] The book also repeatedly misgenders subjects of discussion, for example Shrier repeatedly referred to Leela Alcorn, a trans woman who committed suicide after she was forced to undergo conversion therapy,[18] by male pronouns.[1]:ch 3.5 In July 2020, Shrier appeared on the Joe Rogan Experience to discuss her views on transgenderism.[19] Her book has proved controversial for its views about transgender issues[6][20][21] and has been described by the author[22] and other commentators as subject to a campaign of censorship.[23][24] It was first withdrawn,[25] and then reinstated, by retailer Target. The Economist has described the book as the "first book-length study of a fascinating phenomenon" but also noted that "it has been widely ignored".[26] By contrast, a reader erected a billboard in Los Angeles in support of the ideas in the book.[27] Her book has been criticized by mental health experts for misinterpreting and omitting scientific evidence to support her claims.[3] It's an Economist Book of the Year,[28] and a Times of London Best Book of 2021 for its UK publication.[29]

Shrier has described social media as playing an influential role in girls' decisions to become transgender.[30]
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Re: Transgender Criticism yields a non- NPOV Hissy Fit

Post by boredbird » Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:31 am

The person who added the POV pushing calls himself User:Bravetheif.

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Re: Transgender Criticism yields a non- NPOV Hissy Fit

Post by wexter » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:06 pm

"They" were a model wikipedia net-zean before the triggering. They even blessed this numbskull with "a bowl of strawberries" for 1400 edits (mostly science and Australian stuff) something crazy got to "them" outback behind the woodshed perhaps it was a gender dysphoric dingo that ate "their" baby.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo_ate_my_baby

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bravetheif

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Information icon Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living (or recently deceased) persons, as you did to Abigail Shrier. Thank you. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 03:44, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


Information icon Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to Abigail Shrier. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 03:46, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

It is not controversial that socially mediated gender dysphoria is complete crap WP:FRINGE. The Littman study is currently the only study advancing the theory, and the sources I cited discussed foundational flaws in how the study was conducted. I have made efforts to remove citations that fall under WP:OR, and I am not synthesizing sources to advance a novel position. Her book makes direct reference to the Littman study as it's scientific basis, I described as such in the article and discussed the origins and scientific consensus on the theory. That is not synthesizing evidence. Being uncontroversial doesn't mean intentionally excluding facts to make the subject appear in a more positive light. 03:54, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
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Your recent editing history at Abigail Shrier shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 04:19, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

@Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d: I intend to represent Shrier and her book as accurately as possible. If people wish to discuss in the talk page, I will engage. Bravetheif (talk) 04:31, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
@Bravetheif: Hello! I basically already stated this on the TP, but I strongly, strongly urge you to seek assistance at WP:TEA or WP:HELPDESK. They are very smart & experienced editors (much more than me), and they should be able to clearly explain to you WP:BLP, WP:RS, and WP:OR policies. Make sure to provide them the diffs of your edits, and of the TP discussion. Face-smile.svg Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 01:37, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
@Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d: I appreciate the message, and for the sake of stopping this I will take you up on that offer. Although I still believe my current statements don't violate WP:BLP (the original version definitely did), I will make efforts to rewrite and reduce the statements such that they meet the strictest interpretation of WP:BLP. This is a subject I am passionate about, and I apologise for the aggressiveness of my edits. Bravetheif (talk) 01:56, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
@Bravetheif: Thank you very much! In the future, if multiple users revert your edits, please do not get into an edit war. Feel free to start a new discussion on the talk page, and discuss why you believe you are correct. Consensus is key @ Wiki. But edit-warring could easily lead to a block or even a ban from editing. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 02:00, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
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Re: Transgender Criticism yields a non- NPOV Hissy Fit

Post by wexter » Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:30 pm

The real salient npov point of it all

Gender activists are trying to cancel my book; Why is Silicon Valley helping them?

Why is Silicon Valley and Wikimedia Wikipedia pushing business and political agendas, why are they dividing and conquering by creating and providing voice to hot button issues that are not overview concerns?

Because the CFR and big bus-Gov own the overview and everything else.

https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/20 ... 2011220021

Ps a real encyclopedia would never have an entry for a journalist that wrote a book on an inconsequential subject.
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Re: Transgender Criticism yields a non- NPOV Hissy Fit

Post by wexter » Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:33 pm

My attempt to talk to the "Hiro Protagonist" of the Abigail Shrier PC editing debacle. Perhaps he can be pursuaded from leaving the cult of Wikipedia, or I will just be shadow banned. Either outcome is ok with me.
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It is what it is.
I will probably be banned for posting the following to you, on your talk page, because that is what this platform is about. If I can break one person out of the Wikipedia lunatic asylum then I will be satisfied with getting banned.

I had my fill of Wikipedia after running into a Paid PR department, a link to Child Pornography, and the nonsensical process and content of of Wikipedia.

The following links are two fold. First my impressions of what Wikipedia really is. Second an analysis of the Abigail Shier Kerfuffle.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zp3 ... sp=sharing https://wikipediasucks.co/forum/viewtop ... 160#p19160

"Why is Silicon Valley and Wikimedia Wikipedia pushing business and political agendas, why are they dividing and conquering by creating and providing voice to hot button issues that are not overview concerns?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abigail_Shrier


IMHO Don't waste your time with these monkey's.
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Re: Transgender Criticism yields a non- NPOV Hissy Fit

Post by wexter » Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:49 am

From Zerohedge.com it applies to Wikipedia

the twitters, the googles, the facebooks of the world - had launched an overt crusade...... to snuff out independent thought, contrarian views, and inconvenient opinions and create one giant echo chamber of consent straight out of George Orwell. To do that they would use any and every tool they have access to, and unfortunately we had to comply with the whims of these monopolies which nobody in Congress has the guts to challenge directly and to strip them of their too-big-to-question powers.
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Re: Transgender Criticism yields a non- NPOV Hissy Fit

Post by ericbarbour » Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:05 am

Dunno who "Dr. Swag-Lord" is, but he's making the usual WP:OWN Wiki-threat. Suspect he thinks he has an admin "in pocket" to block the other guy and thus protect his pwnage of the Shrier article.

Please allow me to post some of Dr. Swag's previous idiocies. He's a member of a long list of WIkiprojects. Obv. another ass-licker who likes to mess with articles about conservative figures. He's gotten into shitwars with Snooganssnoogans, aka Cirt. Bad idea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... rd%2C_Ph.d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Don_Lemon
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =989997063
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... y_woman%22

Ah hah, he thinks MONGO (one of the few insiders who is a political conservative) will "protect" him. Doubtful. MONGO was desysopped a long time ago.
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Re: Transgender Criticism yields a non- NPOV Hissy Fit

Post by wexter » Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:01 pm

Specifico and back to the woodshed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... Archive273

The arbitration committee stuff reads like a virtual caning. Who would subject themselves to this kind of nonsensical mind fuck

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Re: Transgender Criticism yields a non- NPOV Hissy Fit

Post by sashi » Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:46 pm

Wikipedia's version of your "go for the jugular" is to create an entry about a person so that some anyone may later come discredit them by linking to four articles not mentioning them at all. Part of the recipe for maximum drama appears to be to redirect the entry about the controversial book to the person:

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so their family can be googleboxed up as having wrongthunk too.

Meanwhile, lurking under the hood, el ché, ol cirt, snoog2ans2, a tangled flight of kites and vigilAnt, anony-noos neutralites...

This dOcsWaglOrd (Phederat. Duckbillus ) character seems fun. 🐧

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Re: Transgender Criticism yields a non- NPOV Hissy Fit

Post by ericbarbour » Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:42 pm

wexter wrote:
Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:01 pm
The arbitration committee stuff reads like a virtual caning. Who would subject themselves to this kind of nonsensical mind fuck
Tens of thousands of editing addicts. And more joining every day.

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