Spinning on Anna Sorokin

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Spinning on Anna Sorokin

Post by wexter » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:31 am

The Wiki-idiots are on an absolute editing frenzy having discovered a Netflix Docudrama about fraudster Anna Vadimovna (Delvey) Sorokin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Anna_Sorokin

The focus on irrelevant nugatory far outweighs any interest in the Ukraine entry which does not seem to have been meaningfully updated for the past two years. Perhaps the president of the Ukraine is a comedian or something. The double eagle of Donesk holds less relevance than a magpie.


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With the article branching off to a sub article that has not been updated to reflect current events in years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2 ... rn_Ukraine

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Re: Spinning on Anna Sorokin

Post by ericbarbour » Fri Feb 18, 2022 8:24 pm

wexter wrote:
Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:31 am
When a TV show drops on Netflix the Wikipedia's are all over it in force.
Not always. This one intrudes on the endless Russia-Ukraine editwar. It goes WAY back.

Perhaps I should drop the book wiki article to cover that stone:
Ukrainian nationalism

Related to the EEML/Digwuren battle, the editwarring over Ukraine-related articles exploded when the 2013-2014 riots, collapse of the pro-Russia government, and subsequent annexation of Crimea by Russia put Ukraine into the news for months. A number of Russian nationalists involved themselves in the area. As with EEML, the many related articles grew and grew in length and number of citations, not necessarily in quality, neutrality or trustworthiness. Rotating battles between pro-Russian and anti-Russian activists were often involved, with anything about Ukraine itself being merely the "grease" on the wheels.
As journalist Jake Christie said1 in 2016: "If you Google "Holodomor denial", Wikipedia's page is the first one that shows up. Why? Because Ukrainian nationalists (many of them Canadian citizens) have taken up the mantle of Holodomor defenders on Wikipedia, and they will beat their narrative of the 1932 Soviet famine (i.e., that Stalin created it to crush the Ukrainian peasants, and that seven million died) into the Internet, and God help you if you disagree; Douglas Tottle wrote a book in 1987 (Fraud, Famine, and Fascism) denouncing the nationalist narrative and they have spent nearly twenty years online blackballing him in blog posts, RationalWiki, Amazon reader reviews, etc. on top of printed denunciations in the 1980s. I have never seen a physical copy of the book; online it only exists as a pdf file. My point is, Wikipedia's biases warp the Internet's presentation of nearly everything, especially the more obscure things."

Primary Articles Involved
• Ukraine2 (T3-H4-L5-F6-C7)
• 2014 Ukrainian revolution8 (T9-H10-L11-F12-C13)
• Euromaidan14 (T15-H16-L17-F18-C19)
• Timeline of the Euromaidan20 (T21-H22-L23-F24-C25)
• 1 December 2013 Euromaidan riots26 (T27-H28-L29-F30-C31)
• 11 December 2013 Euromaidan assault32 (T33-H34-L35-F36-C37)
• 2014 Euromaidan regional state administration occupations38 (T39-H40-L41-F42-C43)
• International reactions to the Euromaidan § Solidarity demonstrations and protests44 (T45-H46-L47-F48-C49) (later deleted)
• International reactions to the Euromaidan50 (T51-H52-L53-F54-C55)
• Domestic responses to the Euromaidan56 (T57-H58-L59-F60-C61)
• Anti-Maidan62 (T63-H64-L65-F66-C67)
• List of people killed during Euromaidan68 (T69-H70-L71-F72-C73) (repeatedly nominated for deletion, unsuccessfully)
• 2014 Crimean crisis74 (T75-H76-L77-F78-C79) (merged into "Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation")
• International reactions to the 2014 Crimean crisis80 (T81-H82-L83-F84-C85)
• 2014 Hrushevskoho Street riots86 (T87-H88-L89-F90-C91)
• 2014 Ukrainian Regional State Administration occupations92 (T93-H94-L95-F96-C97) (merged into below)
• 2014 Euromaidan regional state administration occupations98 (T99-H100-L101-F102-C103)
• 2014 Odessa clashes104 (T105-H106-L107-F108-C109)
• 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine110 (T111-H112-L113-F114-C115)
• Timeline of the 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine116 (T117-H118-L119-F120-C121)
• List of individuals sanctioned during the 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine122 (T123-H124-L125-F126-C127) (later renamed "List of individuals sanctioned during the Ukrainian crisis")
• Donetsk insurgency128 (T129-H130-L131-F132-C133) (later deleted)
• Donetsk People's Republic134 (T135-H136-L137-F138-C139)
• Siege of Sloviansk140 (T141-H142-L143-F144-C145)
• Kramatorsk standoff146 (T147-H148-L149-F150-C151)
• Mariupol standoff152 (T153-H154-L155-F156-C157) (later renamed "Battle of Mariupol (May–June 2014)")
• Donetsk status referendum, 2014158 (T159-H160-L161-F162-C163)
• Ukrainian Insurgent Army164 (T165-H166-L167-F168-C169)
• Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine170 (T171-H172-L173-F174-C175)
• Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists176 (T177-H178-L179-F180-C181)
• Svoboda (political party)182 (T183-H184-L185-F186-C187)
• Ukrainian presidential election, 2010188 (T189-H190-L191-F192-C193)
• War in Donbass194 (T195-H196-L197-F198-C199) was 400k bytes long for a time in 2017; editwarring contined
• Timeline of the war in Donbass200 (T201-H202-L203-F204-C205) (later chopped into more than 50 different articles by 2017; all exploded in length, many were listed at the top of the Long pages list206)
• Denial of the Holodomor207 (T208-H209-L210-F211-C212)
• Plus related biographies and other materials.

Editors
Note that this is only a partial list of the most obvious editwarriors. Hundreds of sockpuppet and IP-address editors were also involved--too many to list here.
• Lvivske213, Ukrainian partisan and massive headache
• DDima214, Ukrainian living in Chicago, Wikipedia administrator since 2008
• Vecrumba215, a Latvian editor of some repute, determined anti-Soviet and anti-Russian
• Bandurist216, Ukrainian partisan
• Vasyl` Babych217, Ukrainian partisan
• Faustian218, Ukrainian partisan
• Iryna Harpy219, lives in Australia, "I have been called a Ukrainophile, a Ukrainophobe, a Russophile, an anti-Semite, a pro-Zionist, a pan-Slavic ideologue, a Kremlin stooge, the 'scourge of the earth' for deleting or reverting biased and pejorative 'contributions', ad nauseam."
• DagosNavy220, obsessed with "Timeline of the war in Donbass" and with riots in general
• Darouet221, a French antifascist who sees fascism in Ukrainian nationalist groups
• EkoGraf222, seems to simply enjoy being involved in contentious political editwars in general
• Piotrus223, of course!
• Volunteer Marek224, usually a reasoned voice for neutrality, usually ignored (see EEML/Digwuren battle)
• Stephen J Sharpe225, apparently hates Lvivske
• B01010100226, apparently just there to fight with others
• Nickst227, Ukrainian
• RGloucester228. an "androgynous Marxist" from the UK, his deep interest in Ukraine politics is unexplained
• Ymblanter229, a scrupulously honest Russian and English WP admin who often finds himself dragged into partisan squabbles
• Sage230, appears to be a Russophile but mostly there to troll
• Lukas Pietsch, as with the EEML battles, he's apparently just there to throw his weight around
• Dr. Michel Aaij puts in occasional appearances, for whatever reason.

Holodomor231
This article was the focus of one of Wikipedia's earliest political editwars:
21:40, 2 October 2004‎ Xed (talk | contribs)‎ . . (2,330 bytes) (-294)‎ . . (o not revert changes wholesale without discussion. Please see Wikipedia:Requests for page protection.) (undo)
21:36, 2 October 2004‎ Shorne (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (2,624 bytes) (+294)‎ . . (Do not revert changes wholesale without discussion. Please see Wikipedia:Requests for page protection.) (undo)
21:32, 2 October 2004‎ Xed (talk | contribs)‎ . . (2,330 bytes) (-294)‎ . . (rv holocast denier) (undo)
20:53, 2 October 2004‎ Shorne (talk | contribs)‎ . . (2,624 bytes) (+305)‎ . . (various editing for NPOV) (undo)
19:15, 2 October 2004‎ Shorne (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (2,319 bytes) (-11)‎ . . (Do not revert changes wholesale without discussing them. See the talk page.) (undo)
10:37, 2 October 2004‎ Xed (talk | contribs)‎ . . (2,330 bytes) (+11)‎ . . (rv holocaust deniers edits) (undo)
05:48, 2 October 2004‎ Shorne (talk | contribs)‎ . . (2,319 bytes) (-213)‎ . . (various NPOV changes) (undo)
05:37, 2 October 2004‎ Shorne (talk | contribs)‎ . . (2,532 bytes) (0)‎ . . (slight grammatical correction to Mikkalai's good NPOV changes) (undo)
03:59, 2 October 2004‎ Altenmann (talk | contribs)‎ . . (2,532 bytes) (-34)‎ . . (undo)
22:49, 1 October 2004‎ Shorne (talk | contribs)‎ . . (2,566 bytes) (+236)‎ . . (Do not revert changes wholesale without discussing them. See the talk page.) (undo)
21:51, 1 October 2004‎ Xed (talk | contribs)‎ . . (2,330 bytes) (-236)‎ . . (rv edit from holocaust denier) (undo)
16:42, 30 September 2004‎ Shorne (talk | contribs)‎ . . (2,566 bytes) (+46)‎ . . (undo)
16:35, 30 September 2004‎ Shorne (talk | contribs)‎ . . (2,520 bytes) (+190)‎ . . (added link and edited partially for NPOV) (undo)
Related previous arbitration
• AndriyK232 from 2005-06, a Ukrainian editor fought with Russian partisans and was banned for one year.

Yatsenyuk
From WO, 14 March 2014 233:
""Yats" is, of course, the pet name for Arseniy Yatsenyuk, the pre-approved leader of the new "Victoria's Secret234" junta in Ukraine. There is some internet buzz afoot that Yats is also a major Scientologist. Now, it appears235 that the original source of this story is Wikipedia."
"Looking at the article history236, one may discern that the Scientology allegations were removed on February 19 , at the height of the political violence in Ukraine which led to the overthrow of the government. Wikipedia was in a bit of bind, because while the prevailing winds of POV there would seem to generally favor the neocon/R2P Cold War thrust, there are also residual currents of strong anti-Scientology fervor."
"There is an interesting debate238 on this topic on the article talk page. Apparently there are sources available to support the claim, but they are Russian. To some participants, this makes them ipso facto unreliable (see also [Wikipedia:Systemic bias].) The allegation is a bit on the gossipy side, and I would be inclined to regard it with suspicion, but I am sympathetic to this sentiment, expressed by Sointsa90:"
Quote: ""While the source is contentious, consider the fact what you say is highly racist by implicating it as automatically dubious due to it's Russian origin. What if you said "this newspaper is Jewish, thus it is propaganda"? Consider that benchmark whenever you're about to say something racist like that.""
""Racist" isn't the right characterization here, but the point is otherwise clear."

Natalia Poklonskaya239
A nice example of the stupidity of Wikipedia, this WO thread240 discussed the tendency of various Wikipedias to use amateur cartoon pictures of Poklonskaya on her biography. The cartoons were later moved to a separate category241, but are still being used on assorted language Wikipedias as of 2014, because a non-copyrighted photo was not found. Poklonskaya resigned her position in 2016 and was elected to the Russian Duma, while still being considered a wanted criminal in Ukraine.

"Putin khuilo!"242
An insult of Russian president Vladimir Putin, apparently used in Ukraine often during the unrest. Its article was subjected to an AFD243, in which numerous editors called for keeping the article and were banned as sockpuppets, one after the other. Eventually the number of "keep" votes, by serious editors, became overwhelming. Many of the above-mentioned Ukraine editwarriors commented.

MH17
The Malaysian airliner was shot down at 14:15 UTC on 17 July 2014. The Wikipedia article244 was created at 15:31 -- and promptly became an editwar. Attracted were many of the same people listed above. Several "neutral" administrators attempted to "fix" it, and failed repeatedly.
By 21 July, the article said: "On 18 July, The Daily Telegraph reported that the Russian government had allegedly modified or deleted information on Wikipedia pages relating to the MH17 incident, to remove claims that it helped provide the missile system used to shoot down the aircraft. Among the pages allegedly edited was the Russian version of an article listing civil aviation incidents, to claim that "the plane [Flight MH17] was shot down by Ukrainian soldiers".[164]"
Of course, Russian government IP addresses and partisan editors were fighting over it, the new "Twitterbot" called "RuGovEdits245" detected and posted the Russian government edits, and the result was media attention. 246247248249 As usual, the world's news media played up this "Wiki atrocity", while commonly failing to note that Russian and Ukrainian partisans had already been battling on Wikipedia for years prior, rendering most of the related articles unreliable or incoherent. Similar things were happening to the counterpart articles on ru-WP and ua-WP.
By 19 July the article had reached250 105k bytes with 184 references. By October it was 131k bytes with 247 references and the talkpage was up to 20 archives. Geogene251 could not leave the article alone, nor the absurd "Ebola virus in the United States" article, and was blocked on 18 October. USchick252, a known pro-Ukrainian edit squabbler from previous Russian and Jewish wargaming and misogyny arguments (see Misogyny#Ideal_feminine), was not blocked.
By 2017 it was 167k bytes with 302 references, and editwarring was still occurring.

Timeline of the war in Donbass253
By October 2014, this was listed as one of the longest articles on all of English Wikipedia, at a staggering 564,367 bytes. Created in July at 288k bytes254 by maniac gnome RGloucester255, most of it was subsequently the work of DagosNavy. In November administrator Bruce Abramson split it into four separate articles. By 2017 it had become a list of 54 articles.
AND THAT'S ONLY A BRIEF SUMMARY....

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