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Recession is Cloudy with many Meatballs

Post by wexter » Sat Jul 30, 2022 8:25 pm

Evidently a Musk amplified edit war with tens of thousands of edits and deletions.
Musk sent a nasty tweet in the direction of Jimbo

"Wikipedia is losing its objectivity @jimmy_wales," tweeted Musk
Perhaps someone needs to educate Musk because his tweet is delusional, Wikipedia hosted porn at one point (bomis) but never had objectivity.


As to Musk “A man with priorities so far out of whack doesn’t deserve such a fine automobile.” Ferris Bueller


Musk Amplified tweeting
https://nypost.com/2022/07/29/elon-musk ... sion-page/

What is a recession? Wikipedia can't decide
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/29/11145999 ... sion-edits

Elon Musk Takes on a Beleaguered Icon
Wikipedia is the subject of much criticism following a controversial change.
https://www.thestreet.com/technology/el ... dia-debate

Down with new users;
https://fortune.com/2022/07/29/wikipedi ... new-users/

Wikipedia Attempts To Change The Definition Of ‘Recession’ 41 Times
https://dailycaller.com/2022/07/28/wiki ... recession/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Recession
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Beland#About_me

There is even a FAQ to new users by Berland

I read online that Wikipedia changed the definition of a recession.
Okay, so what, someone tried to remove it?
And now it's locked?
What's the deal with there being a million edits on this page in one day?
How do I see what edits have been made to an article?
Why are there all these administrators saying weird stuff here?
Why is Wikipedia paying you to do this stuff?
Okay, well, I have some stuff I want to say.

IMHO populism and pander, by the left and the right alike, does not end well.

1) Wikipedia is getting tons of bad press 2) Google might be skull raped in discovery

Court Rejects Google’s Attempt to Dismiss Rumble’s Antitrust Lawsuit, Ensuring Vast Discovery
https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/30/court ... discovery/

And evidently Wikipedia might be addling and confusing the wheels of justice

https://news.mit.edu/2022/study-finds-w ... avior-0727

Mixed appraisals of one of the internet’s major resources, Wikipedia, are reflected in the slightly dystopian article “List of Wikipedia Scandals.” Yet billions of users routinely flock to the online, anonymously editable, encyclopedic knowledge bank for just about everything. How this unauthoritative source influences our discourse and decisions is hard to reliably trace. But a new study attempts to measure how knowledge gleaned from Wikipedia may play out in one specific realm: the courts.

A team of researchers led by Neil Thompson, a research scientist at MIT’s Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (CSAIL), recently came up with a friendly experiment: creating new legal Wikipedia articles to examine how they affect the legal decisions of judges. They set off by developing over 150 new Wikipedia articles on Irish Supreme Court decisions, written by law students. Half of these were randomly chosen to be uploaded online, where they could be used by judges, clerks, lawyers, and so on — the “treatment” group. The other half were kept offline, and this second group of cases provided the counterfactual basis of what would happen to a case absent a Wikipedia article about it (the “control”). They then looked at two measures: whether the cases were more likely to be cited as precedents by subsequent judicial decisions, and whether the argumentation in court judgments echoed the linguistic content of the new Wikipedia pages.
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Re: Recession is Cloudy with many Meatballs

Post by oranges33 » Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:30 pm

Went through the revisions before and after the drama.

It does seem that it was drama mostly engineered by republican media, and made worse by Wikipedia admin pettiness and bias. As the sentence wasn't in the lede prior to the republican mob (republican mob was lying it was). It was just over whether to emphasize "two quarters" in the lede after the WH press secretary was being dishonest.

At the same time this drama lets people know how just a few nobodies no one knows anything about, who have no credentials, who refuse to be held accountable, and who were not elected by the public, have enormous influence over definitions of words.

So maybe the drama was good. Also yea, Wikipedia totally gave into the republican mob this time which is interesting

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Re: Recession is Cloudy with many Meatballs

Post by ericbarbour » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:46 pm

oranges33 wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:30 pm
It does seem that it was drama mostly engineered by republican media, and made worse by Wikipedia admin pettiness and bias. As the sentence wasn't in the lede prior to the republican mob (republican mob was lying it was). It was just over whether to emphasize "two quarters" in the lede after the WH press secretary was being dishonest.
As usual. This was noticed by conservative leaning and business publications, who ran the usual wanky complaints. It got very little attention elsewhere that I can find. Because OF COURSE most journalists think Wikipedia is "wonderful" and "above reproach".

And Lord Musk The Questionable really should know better. He's had TWELVE YEARS to find out. Wikipedia was not politically biased in 2004, but the shitshow of 2005-2010 installed a gang of screechy usually-left-leaning cranks. And they will not be removed because it's a cult, and cults do not "reform themselves". They usually just self-destruct or collapse from internal bickering.

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Re: Recession is Cloudy with many Meatballs

Post by notalawyerxyz » Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:51 am

the first reference to the nber under recession was back in 2007-ish, when someone from an ip address at the university of wisconsin-madison added them via ip address. They also edited a book on zen and the art of motorcycle repairs, which one of their economics professors also wrote an article about in the 1980s, as well as a page on one of the university's sports teams. This professor had no connections to the nber that I could find-and is still alive. A different professor was a member of the nber back then, who died a few years ago.

There could be many nefarious groups that has planted seeds all throughout wikipedia to lend themselves credibility when the future times arrive, to change pretty concrete age old definitions, to something more of an abstraction to be defined by a select group of people and say this is the way it has always been, or to say the old definitions are too simple and aren't scholarly enough. That we ordinary people are too simple minded to really know what is and isn't a recession. This new speak is quite Orwellian, and they basically can make the rules up as they go, and act in accordance to their own political agenda. They can't go off and develop their own models with their own vernacular; they have to hijack ours without any debate and without any showing that one model is superior than the other. By the time they are capable of defining a certain era as recessionary, it is too late to take any prophylactic measures to prevent it from getting worst. Consuela, are we in a recession? "No, No, Mr. recession no home." So their model is too abstract, too subjective, too untimely, and as we'll see soon too politically bias.

While everyone is claiming the nber was non-partison, of the 8 members of the panel [and their spouses] that decides whether we are in a recession, only one didn't make a political contribution. The others donated to liberals, including rinos like Romney and Weld. The WEF is also full of many authors who belong to the nber.

I liked it more when econ grads ended up just as taxi cab drivers. If they were any good at economics, they would have studied finance or actuarial science. Accounting and marketing aren't bad business degrees either. But degree in economics is more like going through medical school and coming out as a proctologist, only a proctologist does have an important real world function.

We seen the chaos the economic policies of the WEF are bringing to Europe and Sri Lanka. Even when you get rid of one WEF stooge, you just get another...this present democracy concept has become a joke; A democracy is supposed to be a bloodless way of getting rid a government by choosing new leaders, but the present system replaces one tyrannical puppet for another. All the time we hear the term, "[protecting] Our democracy". "Our" is a word of ownership and exclusiveness, so "our democracy" likely excludes the farmer, the truckers, you, me, your neighbors, and just about everyone else you know. "Our democracy", where the "our" probably means the stakeholders and other actors of the marionettist "WEF". Even China put out a video claiming they are a democracy, despite having just one political party, the communist party. Ukraine pretends to be a democracy, while Zelensky banned opposing political parties. "the peoples democratic republic of" [insert communist nation here].

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Re: Recession is Cloudy with many Meatballs

Post by wexter » Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:01 am

notalawyerxyz wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:51 am

There could be many nefarious groups that has planted seeds all throughout Wikipedia to lend themselves credibility when the future times arrive
Secret societies and Freemasons OR just plain crazy?
Just plain crazy it is..
by Kumioko » Tue May 03, 2022 3:34 pm in Re Tamzin
https://www.wikipediasucks.co/forum/vie ... =19&t=2448

This RFA shows how much of a disgrace and joke Wikipedia has become.

An editor with BPD and multiple personality disorder and questionable comments about children getting over 300 support votes and gaining consensus in a crat chat? It's absurd! Every one of the supporting bureaucrats should be shit canned. What an absolute disgrace!
There are folks who mistakenly think they can "control the narrative" through Wikipedia. The systemic lie is that "Wikipedia" always tells the truth, in fact it always lies; just like every other mass media platform in the country..

Attempt to "Control the Narrative" all you want (in the press, in the news, through polarization, or 100% ineffectively through Wikipedia ) sooner or later things won't work as well as they used to. The Soviet system worked very well in the mid 1970's and then it did less well, and then "the lies" had knock on effects.

On a globally integrated basis; "things no longer work as well as they used to" YOU ARE HERE.

We are at a point where facts and reason don't really matter that much.
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Re: Recession is Cloudy with many Meatballs

Post by notalawyerxyz » Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:20 pm

I wouldn't say secret societies; most of the groups are quite open including the WEF. There are copies of the book "common sense renewed", a book by the Ga Guidestone people, online outlining their agenda. While the Ga guidestone people may be more secretive than any since the "illuminati" 200+ years ago, most groups these days are like a particular tree in a forest not really hiding at all, and you'll never really hear them nor pay attention to them until there is an event where suddenly all authority is delegated to them out of no where as if they have always been this big thing.

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