WP:NONAZIS essay

[SkepticalHistorian]

The essay, which has been enforced as policy, now has a section for non-endorsers.

Suddenly a lot of controversy on the Talk Page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... follow_up)

[SkepticalHistorian]

ANI Noticeboard shows that WP:NONAZIS has been brought up 57 times resulting in numerous blocks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?so ... z2imibtxos

Including for this posted by Raquel Baranow on Jimbo’s Talk page:

First they came for the Nazis
How about Zionists next?
Did God really give them that land or the United Nations,
are Palestinians in concentration camps?
Is criticism of Israel antisemetic.
Where do these WP:THOUGHTCRIME end?
If “racists” and Nazis don’t use reliable sources or follow policy, they get banned.
Why are there Laws against Holocaust denial, what are they afraid of?
[[Trump derangement syndrome|Why don’t we block Trump supporters]]?
We should be skeptical and open minded not WP:BIGOT!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk ... his_please

The essay has become somewhat of a honeypot leading to at least one boomerang block:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... my_comment

[wexter]

Our favorite mentally ill Wikipedian is all over this entry

Editors don't want to work with editors who want them killed, enslaved, deported, or raped. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed]

Wikipedia does not frame neo-nazi's correctly - Wikipedia is, according to their own statistics," 99.83% wrong.

The essay, which has been enforced as policy, now has a section for non-endorsers.

And a bunch of crazy people just below the shiny veneer of "respectability."

Britannica avoids the subject of "American what-ever-it-ism" entirely;

https://www.britannica.com/topic/neo-Nazism
https://www.britannica.com/event/Nazism ... ent=Nazism

"American what-ever-it-ism" - shares some elements with Britannica NAZIsm.

- anti-intellectual
- atheoretical (not concerned with fact or theory)
- vision

Wikipedia shares all three aforementioned elements, and so does our whole divided society at the moment.

"American what-ever-it-ism" covers allot of basis, is really dangerous, has been bleeding into the mainstream, has ties to libertarian-ism - and unfortunately will be amplified and energized by all those who are trying to stomp it down via edit-warring, shadow banning, and censoring.

What is more crazy and dangerous
---a society according to Tamzin (young reactionary folks)
---a society of fascist liber-tards (older folks hankering back to a past that never was)

There is no point speaking to policy, facts, or whatever. It's all very "stonkey" and we are just on the cusp of a multi-year crisis that might shake some of this nonsense out.

[SkepticalHistorian]

Another honeypot boomerang trap:

For the sake of posterity, this user has continued to make disruptive edits in wikitalk space which may run afoul of policy, e.g. "American Liberalism since the Trump era has become just as vengeful and warring as neo-Nazi or other genocidal groups" at WP:No Nazis. [2]. This is in the setting of an ongoing discussion about how the "non-endorsers" list on that essay is a great honey pot to locate editors who will likely become disruptive in the near future. This is nothing if not a great example of that phenomenon. @Zero0000@Doug Weller@Jpgordon Do I think the edit I linked is a blockable offense? No, probably not. But do I think it's extremely on-the-nose? Yes.

If it walks like a duck, and looks like a duck...All you need to do is give it a few days before it starts quacking loud enough for anyone in a hundred miles to know what it is. — Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 16:34, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk ... 91#Blocked

[boredbird]

Our favorite mentally ill Wikipedian is all over this entry

Editors don't want to work with editors who want them killed, enslaved, deported, or raped. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed]

I'll bet whales have tours to watch Tamzin.

[SkepticalHistorian]

Tamzin outed MJPANTS, on his own essay’s Talk Page, with this edit:

@HappyMcSlappy: I'm all for allowing a clean start, but having the same argument with me twice, a year apart, on two different accounts, is kind of pushing the "clean" part, don't you think? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 23:48, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Hatted in this section by TheHandThatFeedsYou: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... _endorsers

MJPANTS is HappyMcSlappy:
https://intersect-contribs.toolforge.or ... 5D=&sort=0

[ericbarbour]

First they came for the Nazis
How about Zionists next?
Did God really give them that land or the United Nations,
are Palestinians in concentration camps?
Is criticism of Israel antisemetic.
Where do these WP:THOUGHTCRIME end?
If “racists” and Nazis don’t use reliable sources or follow policy, they get banned.
Why are there Laws against Holocaust denial, what are they afraid of?
[[Trump derangement syndrome|Why don’t we block Trump supporters]]?
We should be skeptical and open minded not WP:BIGOT!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk ... his_please

Israel critics have always been targets on Wikipedia. Even on other language Wikipedias (other than the Arabic ones). Because Israel promoters have been fooling around on most of them. CAMERA is still in business, and NGO Monitor is still in business. Still pushing their angry pro-Israel, media-attacking, "how dare you criticize us" bias online.

Still editing Wikipedia? They will NEVER admit it today, after this was started in 2008, and repeatedly updated since then. They learned to keep the profile down. Doesn't mean they walked away--they can't.

[ericbarbour]

The essay, which has been enforced as policy, now has a section for non-endorsers.

Suddenly a lot of controversy on the Talk Page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... follow_up)

BTW: that argument on Jimbotalk was from 2020. One of an endless number of tiresome squabbles therein.

ANYTHING that makes a Wikipedian unhappy is "hate speech". Should be obvious by now. Tamzin is the rule and not the exception. Once again: I fully expect that Tamzin will generate one screaming match too many, and suddenly be tossed like a (genderqueer?) salad.

[wexter]

ANYTHING that makes a Wikipedian unhappy is "hate speech". Should be obvious by now. Tamzin is the rule and not the exception. Once again: I fully expect that Tamzin will generate one screaming match too many, and suddenly be tossed like a (genderqueer?) salad.

Well, it looks like there is an initiative to use Wikipedia as a "teaching tool." Perhaps Tamzin should become an associate professor.

Gender and Technoculture --
Most broadly, this course looks at the ways in which our technologically mediated world influences our understanding of gender.

For this assignment, students will be making contributions to Wikipedia specifically designed to correct the well-documented gender, heterosexual, white, and Western bias in this extremely influential resource.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... ring_2022)

GESS 2900 - Spring 2020 - Making Wikipedia Better
As Gender and Sexuality Studies scholars, you have much to offer Wikipedia, both by filling information gaps and by engaging in debates about what makes something a NPOV. This project gives you experience doing a literature review, collaborative work, and creating new media content. Tulane

https://wikiedu.org/teach-with-wikipedia/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gender_dysphoria

[SkepticalHistorian]

This is clever: the “Nazi Bar Problem” (“And then [the polite Nazis] bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now”)

# One could make the "we shouldn't ban people for their beliefs argument", but that's not a position Wikipedia has had for a very long time. Wikipedia has been banning pedophiles and suspected pedophiles on the spot since around 2007 for the simple reason they cause more problems than they solve; this should be extended to include racists and other extremists who tend to not have the [[WP:COMPETENCE]] to edit the Wikipedia in a neutral manner. There is also the entire [https://archive.ph/vlHYp Nazi bar] problem: Places which do ''not'' kick out fascists soon become spaces dominated by fascists. [[User:Samboy|Samboy]] ([[User talk:Samboy|talk]]) 17:32, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... 1128343827

“Nazi punks, FUCK OFF!” — Dead Kennedys