Articles Wikipedia should have--but doesn't.

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Re: Articles Wikipedia should have--but doesn't.

Post by ericbarbour » Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:08 pm

(tons of academics, too long to list)
That has always applied to WP. None of them were really able to agree on the notability threshold for academic people, unless they were publicity-chasing narcissists. Consider Jess Wade. (I suspect that someday, she will quit Wikipedia editing, and then the incels will delete her bio. "YOU'RE EITHER WITH US, OR AGAINST US." In wiki-land, no one is "neutral".)
[[Brian Gilmartin]]
Ouch. I wonder if the Wikipedioos hate him:
https://incels.wiki/w/Brian_Gilmartin
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Re: Articles Wikipedia should have--but doesn't.

Post by oranges33 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:36 am

edit; accidental double post
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Re: Articles Wikipedia should have--but doesn't.

Post by oranges33 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:43 am

[[Brian Gilmartin]] was an article for at least 8 years on Wikipedia, albeit poorly written. There's more than enough to include him just based on non-academic mainstream articles and widely published books. But they just pretended all that mattered were academic notability guidelines.

Looking at Deletionpedia and elsewhere, this was part of a trend to delete anyone not an extremist on the topic of people who can't find dates, who also acknowledge that such a thing could be involuntary. POV-warrior deletions basically.

[[Denise Donnelly]] was even more qualified to keep her article, as most AFD commenters noted there wasn't a way to utilize the rule structure against the article existing, but was deleted by POV warriors. Ask them why, and they'll repond WP:IDONTLIKEIT, or reference consensus to POV war.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130717045 ... _Gilmartin Gilmartin page
https://deletionpedia.org/en/Denise_Donnelly Donnelly academic page
https://web.archive.org/web/20130214022 ... y_celibacy Incel article that didn't break WP:NEO (deleted 4 times over the span of a decade, and recreated in 2018 at 'incel' while also breaking WP:NOTTHENEWS)
https://web.archive.org/web/20111213150 ... ve_shyness Gilmartin concept page

Thing is, I understand why they're doing it. Because they say why in AFDs of the related-concepts pages. They don't think the concepts the academics put forward are real. However, it's a strange to be so bold in ideological deletion when there's tons of reliable sources (still) covering Denise, Brian, and the academic/social trends they started. They could just have the articles and call it pseudoscience, or have the articles, and POV-warrior inside them.

Reducing all the prior articles to, at most, a sentence in [[incel]] just gives room for all the incel wikis to run, where Wikipedia can't control narratives, and there's been about 5 of them so far.
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Re: Articles Wikipedia should have--but doesn't.

Post by ericbarbour » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:44 am

You really should show the relevant AFDs, because they are attended by people who are themselves "crazy". Yes, I think Cas Liber is crazy. SandyGeorgia is unquestionably "not right in the head".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... _Gilmartin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... e_Donnelly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... omination) (What an ugly mess...)

It led to this, which repeatedly tries to claim that incels are violent terrorists. The bulk of it was rewritten in the past 3 years by GorillaWarfare, of all people. Does she think incels are violent terrorists who should be destroyed? Then why is she spending most of her life on Wikipedia, surrounded by them?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel

So, you think Wikipedia incels are deleting incel-related content because it offends them? This I can believe easily. What a bunch of petty assholes.
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Re: Articles Wikipedia should have--but doesn't.

Post by ericbarbour » Thu Feb 10, 2022 3:38 am

Their TV coverage continues to be behind:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14153438/

Stupid "reality" show, but clearly exists. Not mentioned on the "All Human Knowledge Thing".

Eat shit, Jimbo.
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Post by ericbarbour » Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:16 am

another fine mess of red links.....the list dates from 2006, when someone from Tonga posted all of this. Very little change since then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_i ... s_in_Tonga
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Re: Articles Wikipedia should have--but doesn't.

Post by badmachine » Fri Feb 25, 2022 4:31 am

Lazarus syndrome (AIDS).

apparently people living with HIV and AIDS have our own Lazarus syndrome, different than the one on wikipedia. apparently this also refers to "autoresuscitation after failed cardiopulmonary resuscitation".
TheBody.com wrote:The phenomenon of gaunt people with AIDS on the brink of death suddenly shedding opportunistic infections and gaining weight became so widespread that it earned its own name: the Lazarus syndrome.
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Re: Articles Wikipedia should have--but doesn't.

Post by ericbarbour » Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:38 pm

Ever heard of The Red Ape Family? I only learned it existed---because I keep seeing YouTube videos attacking it. You can only buy episodes as NFTs using cryptocurrencies. General opinion seems remarkably consistent: it's crap.

Punch that name into Wikipedia. The first of the series was sold last November. Still nothing on WP about it.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt16274170/
https://www.cracked.com/article_32114_t ... -nfts.html
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define. ... e%20Family
https://nftevening.com/the-red-ape-fami ... t-episode/

Not insulting enough? look at the subreddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedApeFamily/

And it's not even the first NFT cartoon. This was created a few months before the Red Apes. Apparently by actress Mila Kunis, who is a big NFT fan. ALSO not mentioned on Wikipedia.
https://www.stonercats.com/
Look at the voice talent. This thing is obviously making SOME kind of money.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15139516/
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Re: Articles Wikipedia should have--but doesn't.

Post by ericbarbour » Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:24 pm

It is a common claim: Wikipedia is "reliable" partly because of its intolerance of biographical abuses and paid editing.

Should anyone use that line to whitewash WP's problems, ask them about Song Shanmu and his company, CCVIP. And his tendency to rape young women, bribe the cops, and occsionally "make people disappear". There is NOTHING on English Wikipedia about this story. I've seen instances of COI editors "purifying" en-wiki content about China, and this might be a good example.

Winston Sterzel made videos about the whole affair, partly because he worked for Song at the time. It was a major story in China around 2010. But there's nothing on en-WP. A quick check on zh-wp gave nothing, so presumably it is still being heavily censored by Chinese "interests". Whether the WMF admits it or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7OoTaU4Om4
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Re: Articles Wikipedia should have--but doesn't.

Post by ericbarbour » Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:42 pm

First read this. Disturbing. But as fucking usual, the "Security Intelligence Community" (what an oxymoron) has to cover up its gross problems. At all costs, no matter how badly they cover it up. This was a MASSIVE failure.

https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/17/whi ... ctionists/

Put "Dan Gilmore" into Wikipedia's search box. You don't get an article about him. Nothing. Not even a disambig page. Instead, you get "Dan Gillmor", longtime tech journalist, former Wikia investor, old pal of former WMF "Editor Engagement" guy Fabrice Florin (who lasted 3 years and was probably forced out by Tretikov), and Sweet Loving FOJ.

BTW, Gillmor openly fucked with his own article in 2009 under an IP address. If he's such a "Genius" digerati dude, why did this happen? Still nothing about the Dan Gilmore scandal that I can find.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:C ... 190.69.3.2
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =314048059
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