Hoaxes perpetuated via WP

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Hoaxes perpetuated via WP

Post by ericbarbour » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:38 pm

I've documented a couple dozen notorious hoaxes on the book wiki. But new ones are popping up all the time.

For example, this one didn't end until someone physically went to Isle Royale and looked for it:
He had found another article about Moose Boulder, published in 2009, that cited Wikipedia as its source of information. But the information about Moose Boulder had been added to Siskiwit Lake’s Wikipedia page in 2012. It was like a scene in a bad horror movie in which someone gets a phone call from a dead person. Dickey joked with his girlfriend that perhaps Moose Boulder does exist, but only in some kind of “temporal anomaly.”
Here’s the rub: Wikipedia is a nesting doll, too. Before a page for Siskiwit Lake had been added to the site, the page for Isle Royale had pointed readers to Moose Boulder, and had been doing so since 2009. It was put there by a different user than the one who added it to the Siskiwit page in 2012. Either way, that’s where the trail goes cold, and there’s no other evidence that the place exists. The identity of that first Wikipedia user to write about it—with those completely unrelated sources—remains a mystery, but all available evidence suggests that it was a person having a laugh, nothing more.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/m ... r-debunked

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Re: Hoaxes perpetuated via WP

Post by Abd » Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:01 pm

Remarkably, I had read about Ryan Island and Moose Boulder, but it never occurred to me to doubt the information, more than a little, nor to look at Gmap. Yeah, it was sketchy as hell. I'd question whether a transient pond would be considered a "lake." And that terrain doesn't look like it would support a pond. And a boulder sticking up out of a transient pond an "island"? But Wikipedia has no real fact-checking with any reliability. I've found blatant vandalism buried in an article, recent changes patrollers only catch certain kinds of common defacings, because the system discourages deeper examination and nobody is responsible for any article, unless they make themselves so.

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Re: Hoaxes perpetuated via WP

Post by Strelnikov » Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:08 am

Abd wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:01 pm
Remarkably, I had read about Ryan Island and Moose Boulder, but it never occurred to me to doubt the information, more than a little, nor to look at Gmap. Yeah, it was sketchy as hell. I'd question whether a transient pond would be considered a "lake." And that terrain doesn't look like it would support a pond. And a boulder sticking up out of a transient pond an "island"? But Wikipedia has no real fact-checking with any reliability. I've found blatant vandalism buried in an article, recent changes patrollers only catch certain kinds of common defacings, because the system discourages deeper examination and nobody is responsible for any article, unless they make themselves so.
There are valleys all throughout Southern California that could be lakes, if it rained enough.
Still "Globally Banned" on Wikipedia for the high crime of journalism.

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Re: Hoaxes perpetuated via WP

Post by Abd » Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:02 pm

Right, because they don't have significant time spent filled with water. Dry lakes in the desert have been lakes at one time. We don't use the word "lake" for a very small seasonal pond, even if a seasonal pond exists on Ryan Island. It was a hoax, someone just made it up and then that was propagated and repeated without really considering how preposterous it was.

How much stuff like this is floating around?

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“List of hoaxes on Wikipedia”

Post by CMAwatch » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:03 pm

“List of hoaxes on Wikipedia”

What are your thoughts on this?
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Re: “List of hoaxes on Wikipedia”

Post by ericbarbour » Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:38 am

CMAwatch wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:03 pm
“List of hoaxes on Wikipedia”
What are your thoughts on this?

I posted on Wikipediocracy and the previous version of this forum in the past: it is a GROSSLY INCOMPLETE list. We will never know how many hoaxes there were or are, because they are often deleted quietly or just covered up.

That list was greatly expanded in 2014....after various people humiliated them on Wikipediocracy about it. Several threads were involved. And some of the hoaxes I compiled on the book wiki STILL are not listed there. And probably never will be.

What was the earliest "hoax"? We could argue about that for years. Although I would point at some of the rabid pro-Israel crap RK was posting in late 2001. And Tim Shell's copypaste of loads of crap about Atlas Shrugged in February 2001, most of it straight from Tim's own Ayn Rand fanboy website. You CANNOT see it in any history on Wikipedia today: you must dig for it. I suspect Jimbo himself deleted it because it was quite embarrassing. At the time, something like 6% of Wikipedia's total content consisted of Tim Shell's ravings about Objectivism.

https://reagle.org/joseph/2010/wp/redux/

Quote from Larry Sanger:
"It's possible that Tim copied the stuff from an Objectivism website of his own. I very very vaguely remember that he had one. I know he had a personal home page with various writings of his. He might have had the Objectivism stuff there on that website. Sounds plausible, but I don't remember specifically."
"I think the Atlas stuff was on Wikipedia for quite a while, for most of 2001. Maybe June or July, but I would have guessed more like October. I remember the stuff being there for a long time. I remember people saying, "Why is this stuff still here?""
(PS: two threads were merged.)

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