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Re: Floquenbeam

Post by CrowsNest » Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:40 am

Well, the fix is in.

It's worth noting that none of the 'crats who are seeing a consensus, has remotely explained their reasoning or weighting in as much detail or clarity as the one single dissenter.....
Save for less than a handful of really weak or outright troll comments, the opposition are united in their reasons for opposing Floquenbeam; to summarize my thoughts about the opposition, I agree with what Dweller and Useight stated. By contrast, a non-trivial number of the support comments appeared to be more anti-WMF rather than offering an argument to restore adminship to Floquenbeam; I found it difficult to give such supports the same weight as well-thought out, policy-backed opposition. There were several of those supporting who expressed strong misgivings about Floquenbeam's conduct; Ymblanter's support, for example, backed up several of the opposition's points and was constructed in such a way that at first I thought it was an oppose placed in the wrong section before I read the last sentence. Other supporters, such as AGK, also agree with many of those in opposition, even if he himself chose to express a seemingly hesitant support. Overall, I felt there was an enthusiasm gap between the camps, in that the opposition were much more confident in their decision than the supporters were in theirs.

This combination in the support section mixed with the well-argued opposition leads me to interpret Floquenbeam's candidacy as no consensus. Acalamari 01:58, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Floquenbeam went into this looking for a policy based endorsement of his breaking shit on behalf of the mob. This scumbag will never admit it, but he hasn't got it. Not even fucking close. He has been endorsed by a mob, but that of course is a different matter, and ironically the whole point of trusting Administrators is to ensure mob rule cannot override the inherent consensus to be found in policy.

MBisanz exemplifies the failure of leadership here......
Reasonable minds can differ, and there are certainly many reasonable minds on all three sides of this discussion. That said, a difference of opinion is not the same thing as a lack of consensus.
The idea Floquenbeam needs to be celebrated and rewarded for violating every policy that matters, for no other higher purpose than wikipolitics, in the process furthering the harassment of multiple people, doesn't come from a reasonable mind. How could it?

It has been shown through this RfA that you have to be a born liar to argue Floquenbeam acted with due diligence and an analytical mind. He was hasty, he was emotional, he was reckless, and the mob love him for it. Those who admitted as much in their support, have to have been given full weight, otherwise no fucking way in hell does this reconfirmation even reach 66%, the usual standard for consensus on Wikipedia.

Let nobody forget also, as he admitted, he had no plan, the immediate outcome of his violation changed nothing since Fram was still de facto blocked, and his claim that his action precipitated longer term benefits for Wikipedia (since as he said he could care less about Fram) is dubious, since he himself admits the outcome is not as he would have desired.

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Re: Floquenbeam

Post by CrowsNest » Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:46 am

To leave Floq twisting in the wind like this seems cruel, and if functionaries have become incapable of making timely decisions there's a lot more wrong with WP than this RfA. Miniapolis 23:35, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Because Floquenbeam is the real victim here. :roll:
FWIW, there is zero concern on my end waiting longer. It isn't a problem for me, and is understandable. .... -Floquenbeam (talk) 01:58, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Translation: I can wait for MY PRECIOUS. :twisted:

Fucking piece of shit has no purpose in life without his Wikipedia Admin rights.

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Re: Floquenbeam

Post by Carrite » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:35 am

CrowsNest wrote:Well, the fix is in.

It's worth noting that none of the 'crats who are seeing a consensus, has remotely explained their reasoning or weighting in as much detail or clarity as the one single dissenter.....


I would have thought you would be perceptive enough to realize that someone deciding to supervote against a clear 74% majority needs to explain their rationale better than someone acknowledging that the sky is, in fact, blue.

Keep spinning, maybe you will somehow manage to bend reality to match your opinions and biases yet...

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Re: Floquenbeam

Post by CrowsNest » Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:12 pm

Carrite wrote:
CrowsNest wrote:Well, the fix is in.

It's worth noting that none of the 'crats who are seeing a consensus, has remotely explained their reasoning or weighting in as much detail or clarity as the one single dissenter.....


I would have thought you would be perceptive enough to realize that someone deciding to supervote against a clear 74% majority needs to explain their rationale better than someone acknowledging that the sky is, in fact, blue.

Keep spinning, maybe you will somehow manage to bend reality to match your opinions and biases yet...

RfB
Only a supplicant would accept four lifetime appointees just telling them what they think the consensus was. Quite ironic in the circumstances. The mob cannot accept the unexplained decisions of paid staff, but will happily believe the conclusions of a dufus like Dweller, with his BIGNUMBER bullshit.

The sky is blue, is it? And Floquenbeam cannot be trusted with people's safety or the legal liability of Wikipedia. The mob weren't basing their comments on that, but a Bureacrat of course can't lie and claim they were, or magic fifty votes out of his ass. Some things are just fucking obvious, but some people are just that fucking corrupt.

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Re: Floquenbeam

Post by CrowsNest » Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:40 pm

People, including Floquenbeam, are literally laughing it up that Primefac accidentally screwed up the paperwork and made it look like he was promoted to Bureaucrat.

Is there any sense that anyone on the support side appreciates just how many of their fellow editors think it is a disgrace he is even an Administrator again? That it might be appropriate on a project where 100+ now have to decide if they really want to be Wikipedians, to not laugh and joke around in celebration, just this once?

Do all those clambering to suck Floq's dick now, not even remember that he was not exactly sure if he was going to even be using his newly returned tools? So what are they celebrating? Their symbolic victory over the WMF, obviously. It was not an RfA, it was a Trumpian rally. This is why the Bureacrats finding consensus chose not to show their working.

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Re: Floquenbeam

Post by CrowsNest » Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:44 am

I am loving how you can now read anything this douche says, and no matter how serious.....
We have methods of trying to resolve disputes, but ultimately this is a collaborative effort, and death curses and personal attacks and veiled threats about finding out who someone is in real life are not a part of that. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:07, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
......you just need to say, well, yeah, but aren't you the guy who reverted the bosses without permission?

The Wikipedia equivalent of OH YEAH, WELL YOU SLEPT WITH YOUR COUSIN DUDE!

Who cares what your excuse was, sometimes the deed speaks for itself.

Thankfully for the rest of the people who like to think they run the Wikipedia volunteer community, all the users Floquenbeam likes to exert power over, are entirely unaware of the sheer ridiculousness of him being allowed to tell anyone what they can and can't do because of the rulez.

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