Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Fram 2

[Anyone]

What are the chances

Ha! But what does that 50 refer to?

[Anyone]

12H45 BANGKOK TIME

101:102

Once again we're below 50%

Oppose #102 is from some funky dude calling himself SuperHamster.

Keeping my scope of analysis to within the last year, the conduct during the ArbCom election as described by Drmies and Kirill is my major cause for concern (the temperment, along with the publicizing and assumption of bad faith of Drmies' legitimate use of an alternate account).

[Kumioko]

12H45 BANGKOK TIME

101:102

Once again we're below 50%

Oppose #102 is from some funky dude calling himself SuperHamster.

Keeping my scope of analysis to within the last year, the conduct during the ArbCom election as described by Drmies and Kirill is my major cause for concern (the temperment, along with the publicizing and assumption of bad faith of Drmies' legitimate use of an alternate account).

Personally I like super hamster usually but this assessment is horseshit.

The Fram doesn't deserve to be an admin, but this reasoning to oppose is really weak.

[Anyone]

15H00 BANGKOK TIME

103:108

I wonder if the scene is now set for a massacre. Could we end up with a laughable 45%.

This is gonna hurt Fram. Booted out by the WMF. Desysopped. And now told to EFF OFF by the community.

RE: oppose #108

Oppose - far too much drama, hostility and other negative behaviour — perhaps reaching the level of pathologically compulsive negativity — documented by many editors above

Good comment. I've said elsewhere that as a kid, Fram would've been the sort of sadistic little runt who enjoyed pulling the legs off spiders.

[CrowsNest]

if they want to allow the newly discovered sockmaster Drmies extra account to go unpunished since he is an admin or if they are going to hold him accountable.
My guess is, being that he's an admin, they'll brush it under the carpet.

Who's the superintendent sock hunter, and who's friend he is? Bbb23 used his CU influence to save MaterialScientist, he will use it to save Drmies too.
Or it is time to reveal all the abuse he's done...
To start with, where is the evidence, that Drmies is really the sockmaster, and the other account is not an impersonation?

It's not a sock sock, it is his (widely known) *real name* account that he uses for student assignments, that for spurious reasons, he chose not to openly connect to his Drmies account. He may not have declared to ArbCom, and that and other things might make it an abuse of policy, but given it was an open secret, it's not socking in that sense. Just a case of the powerful getting away with what the powerless would be stomped on for. I wrote about it somewhere in more detail at the time, maybe here, maybe on a past forum.

Now, can we PLEASE stop presuming anything that comes out of Kumioko's mouth is either true, or worth hearing? You are only wasting your own time (and mine because I have to keep setting you all straight).

[Anyone]

17H00 BANGKOK TIME

106:112

Heading towards 45%.

[JuiceBeetle]

[Drmies' alt] It's not a sock sock, it is his (widely known) *real name* account that he uses for student assignments, that for spurious reasons, he chose not to openly connect to his Drmies account. He may not have declared to ArbCom, and that and other things might make it an abuse of policy, but given it was an open secret, it's not socking in that sense.

Because of unfortunate (power abuse) reason I had to delve deep into the "wikilegislation" of socking vs. valid alt account, and I can confirm, that having an alternative account that is undeclared for privacy reason falls under the "valid alt" rules, therefore it is legit, IF it's not used to act as a different person (eg. double vote, editing the same article, participating in a debate). In this case it's not required to declare, even to ArbCom/CUs.
If the owner is an admin, however it is customary to declare all alt accounts, and "Administrators who fail to disclose past accounts risk being desysopped, particularly if knowledge of them would have influenced the outcome of the RfA."
So actually there's no rule against an admin having a secret alt, that is innocent of acting as a double (socking), and would have had no influence on their RfA, however it is a risk. Keeping his "real" name private would be a valid reason for not declaring it.

Just a case of the powerful getting away with what the powerless would be stomped on for. I wrote about it somewhere in more detail at the time, maybe here, maybe on a past forum.

This JuiceBeetle was stomped on exactly for this reason, by the same Bbb23, who saved Drmies. Thank you for giving a nice example to demonstrate this admin bias / preferential treatment. I'll find and read your writing.

[CrowsNest]

I would have to find the original posts to recall accurately, but my recollection is that yes, he was claiming a legit alt, not linked for privacy, however, he had basically not been using it in a way that justified his claim it was for privacy, and he had been using it in a way that good faith editors deserved to know the connection. I suspect he was ultimately not disclosing because it meant he could keep business away from pleasure. He would have been fired years ago if his employer knew what he did in his spare time on Wikipedia (usually in office hours). He gets away with it for a complex set of interrelated reasons. Him just having the brass balls to do it is a big factor. The fact most people on Wikipedia who need to know, know Drmies is Dr. Michel Pieter Aaij, Associate Professor of the English Department at Auburn University at Montgomery, is another.

[Anyone]

19H00 BANGKOK TIME

107:118

Now at 47.5%

I predict it'll hit 45% over the weekend, and may even dip lower. Fram is being gutted.

[CrowsNest]

For a guy who said he was intending to be active for the first two days, as that was when he knew it is most crucial, he's certainly spending as lot of time AFK.

He's going to take this all the way. I did say I could see him doing this just so he could become a martyr, rather than take the sensible route and either not do it at all, or withdraw the second it became clear he was hurtling for the barrier.

I'm happy he's gone for a fiery death plunge. Proves every last person who says he possesses good judgement, are stone cold idiots.

Who are the idiots who really should know better?

Iridescent
Fastily
Floquenbeam
Beeblebrox
NewYorkBrad
Carcharoth
28Bytes
Cas Liber
Boing!
JzG
Kudpung
Laser Brain

Not a coincidence that they feature heavily in my blistering attacks on the broken governance of Wikipedia. Nor is it a surprise many find safe haven in the protective arms of Uncle Jake at the traitor site Wikipediocracy.

Real criticism, real results. Right here. Take me for a fool, you end up looking like a fool.

Of course, there are bad people on the other side too, but who in their right mind condemns bad people for doing the right thing? You can pick apart their individual motives, but those big beast supporters, their refusal to see Fram lacks the required judgement to be an Administrator, that's a systemic issue, something that the governance system should be weeding out at the systematic level.

HTD.