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Re: Floquenbeam

Post by CrowsNest » Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:42 am

Jesus.
Support - with all the facts that have come to light since Floq's action I might not have supported, and indeed there are some now-demopped folks who I will not be supporting should they ask for their rights back. However, at the time that Floq stood up, at great personal risk (and it must be noted: with little risk to Wikipedia) there was every indication that the WMF was acting and intending to continue acting in flagrant violation of community standards and practices, with no explanation forthcoming and no attempt to engage the mechanisms that the Wikipedia community has spent nearly two decades developing. The events since have left very little doubt that had Floq not set off a chain of administrative protest actions (again, with little actual risk to the project) the Foundation would not have responded at all and would have continued picking apart our evolution from their ivory tower in San Francisco with complete impunity, and as such no facts would have since come to light. One of our highest principles states that there are no firm rules, and the related policy reads: "If a rule prevents you from improving Wikipedia, ignore it." (emphasis in original) Floquenbeam ignored one of the most critical rules we have, and Wikipedia is better for it. I am happy to support. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 03:00, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
1. You have seriously misunderstood IAR. Like, this is basically the mistake every stupid n00b makes, believing it to be a free pass for anything.

2. The whole entire point of the immutable nature of office actions, is risk. Explaining this further to someone who doesn't even understand IAR would be a complete waste of time. Like talking politics with a monkey.

3. The history of Trust and Safety is way more connected to the community than you seem to appreciate. And where, exactly, does the Global Ban fit into this romanticized reimagining of your "evolution"?

4. How do retards like you even become Administrators? I thought the precious community were supposed to do at least some basic checks?

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Re: Floquenbeam

Post by CrowsNest » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:11 am

It's actually hilarious to see how many people in this RfA have supported by literally giving no reason, or just gave two of three words. Technically allowed (although arguably it should not be), but here and now?

The criticism writes itself.

The Foundation did indeed badly misjudge the community. They actually thought these people have discussions and even debates.

If they can't take this issue seriously, then there is no issue they would take seriously. And that is what many of the actual victims of Wikipedia, not Fram or God forbid Floquenbeam, have learnt to their cost.

The beauty of being a volunteer. Zero responsibility.

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Re: Floquenbeam

Post by CrowsNest » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:51 am

Ouch. Prove to me you're not crazy. :lol:
Neutral – Honestly, I was leaning towards "Support", until I came across some of the concerns posted by other admins and experienced users. While I feel that Floquenbeam is seen by many as a great admin, some of their recent actions are causing me to question whether or not his admin rights should be restored at this time. I feel that unblocking Fram was the wrong move and that Floquenbeam should take this as a lesson on avoiding wheel-warring from that spat; that being said, some of his recent comments (including a couple in this RfA) are seriously concerning for someone seeking the restoration of their admin rights, following the extremely chaotic crisis that was Framgate and their involvement in the matter. Until Floquenbeam addresses the concerns that have been raised above and indicate that he's been able to recover mentally/emotionally from the recent drama that was Framgate, I'll stay in this camp for now. LightandDark2000 (talk) 05:21, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
HOW BAD DO YOU WANT IT FLOQ?

Dance monkey dance. :twisted:

Only two edits yesterday. Only one so far today. He has so had enough of this shit. Already firmly stuck in an 82% rut, votes already down to a trickle. And he still has four and a half days to go.

No doubt some little weasel is out there on IRC trying to drum up support for the deluded fool, trying to make it look like less of a humiliation, less of a hollow victory.

You can see why they'd be desperate. Who would even dare call this a ringing endorsement? In a world where complete novices are getting 99%, and even a Women In Red member can manage 97%. And she was only dragged down to that result because four out of eight opposes were trying to shore up support for the Admin strike called for by Floquenbeam. I guess that's no longer a thing, right? When your shop steward slithers back into the building, it's over, right? This shitbag doesn't even command the support of the strikers he aimed to get one over on by mooning the jury and sticking a firecracker up his ass. All about him, principle schminciple.

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Re: Floquenbeam

Post by CrowsNest » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:28 am

The criticism writes itself.

A self-nomination by an Administrator who knowingly and unapologetically wiped his ass with bright line policy, turning a dumpster fire into a building fire, with the admitted intent of deliberate building destruction so as to ensure a response from the city council, who is now spouting garbage about conspiracy theories and brains dead office drones who, sob, betrayed him, sob.

All valid support votes.....
No concerns.

Of course

Per the assholes opposing

per my original nomination

This is a no-brainer.

without reservation

Why wouldn't you say yes?

More like this, please.
One oppose vote of 48.......
no, no, no.
OMFG HOW DARE YOU THIS CANNOT STAND YOUR VOTE IS RIDICULOUS YOU SHALL BE IGNORED YOU WILL NOT GET AWAY WITH THIS WE KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE AAAARRRGGGGHHHHHHH

Tony Ballioni: Hey, chill guys. I know you're mad, and I'm mad too, but remember, we're meant to be showing we aren't toxic, that we don't reflexively protect our toxic brethren even from our movement brothers, oh, and sisters, keep forgetting that (shhh, not now Cassianto, you can pay me later). I know you probably didn't realize it, but this guy is a Steward. In terms of trust and responsibility, he outranks every Administrator here. He probably doesn't even know we have special rules here at en.wiki, designed to make sure only supporters can lodge blind assertion votes. He's good people. Please don't hurt me, look!, I voted with you. Please don't hurt me.

:roll:

Nice one Floquenbeam. If you wanted to show you represent the community, well, you've certainly done that. Toxic, brain dead, hypocritical, self-absorbed, arrogant, irresponsible.

They are you, you are them.

Time for a Final Solution.

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Re: Floquenbeam

Post by CrowsNest » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:59 am

Ouch! Three more opposes, just as I was writing the above.

Hilarious to think he could have avoided a lot of the pushback simply by presenting this RfA in an entirely different manner. But he can't, because he is who he is. Is there merit in this sort of honesty? No. It shows arrogance. It shows he wants special treatment. It shows he knows he doesn't fit the bill and probably never did, but still wants the prestige of wearing his sash into his golden years. Feted as the man who once took a stand, for pretty dodgy reasons, and pretty unclear benefits, but who has no intention of doing it again, not because he regrets it or doesn't foresee a future where it would be needed again, but because he doesn't want to risk his retirement. He wants people to think there are others who would do what he did. Good luck with that. The precise combination of cowardice, arrogance, vanity, impulsiveness and death's door abandon that led to him to do what he did, is probably a pretty unique combination among the Administrators.

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Re: Floquenbeam

Post by CrowsNest » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:05 am

Short and sweet, but absolutely crushing.....
Oppose per self-nomination statement's admission of intentional disruption, lack of content contribution, rudeness to other editors, lack of activity and lack of enthusiasm to address issues. Llwyld (talk) 09:58, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
He only comes out of this process with a W precisely because RfA is a vote, not a debate. The fuck can be even say to an oppose like this? All he can say is, I'm sorry you feel that way but I can't help how you feel, and I don't particularly need to give a shit because I got fans. So many fans. Sucks to be you. Neener neener.

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Re: Floquenbeam

Post by CrowsNest » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:15 am

Black Kite doubling down on the principle Administrators are held to a lower standard. Automatic immunity. Shit, cloak of invisibility stuff this.

No need to identify this alleged personal attack, a policy requirement, nor explain how he feels entitled to respond to a personal attack with a harassing post, a policy impossibility (unless looking for the policy that gives reasons to desysop Administrators already on a warning for misconduct)

The old guard. Proper, actual, scum. The capital T in Toxic. The capital B in battleground. The capital C in If you don't want people to think you're a.....

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Re: Floquenbeam

Post by JuiceBeetle » Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:40 pm

Down to 81%...

"this is an anointment and I cannot support it"
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Re: Floquenbeam

Post by CrowsNest » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:50 pm

Floquenbeam properly in hiding now, as his support percentage inexorably heads downward, now at 81%. He could end up in the dreaded 70s at this rate, an absolutely horrific outcome for someone who was specifically asking the community to endorse him.

He is only as high as he is, because supporters can get away with ignoring the opposition. Understandable, since they can't really say anything in response to it. One moron has literally just said nobody has explained how Floquenbeam might do something wrong as an Administrator going forward. That shouldn't carry any weight, but it obviously will, because the fix is always in for the old guard. Shit, I bet every single support gets full weight, even the retard who literally just said "I didn't bother reading the questions and answers nor the statement".

You just knew Floquenbeam would have the illiterates locked in.

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Re: Floquenbeam

Post by CrowsNest » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:51 pm

People breaking left right and centre here, up and down the ladder. Clearly Floquenbeam is giving plenty of people a lot of concern as they try to pin down exactly who he is and what he thinks. Certainly looks like he is done giving them any help.

Just what you want in an Administrator. :roll: :ugeek:

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