Arbitration Committee election 2019

[CrowsNest]

NewYorkBrad still pointedly refusing to say if he is going to stand.

I hope he does.

With Eric Corbett having been caught socking, and making pathetic threats to keep doing so over on the hate site, where Brad is of course a regular poster, that's strike one. Wiithout Brad on the bench, Eric would have been banned years ago.

Being completely out of step with current thinking regarding the seriousness of Fram's crimes, that's strike two.

No doubt if he stands, he will win a seat, but it will be obvious where his support is coming from these days.

The election flyer certainly writes itself.......

Why would NYB knowing or not knowing about something have any significance? NYB would be the first to admit he has almost no experience with the actual workings of Wikipedia.

Iridescent 07:51, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

The actual workings of Wikipedia are important, because people lie. They lie with impunity, if they think there will be something to gain.

There is very big lie currently circulating in Wikipedia, namely that Fram did nothing wrong between April 2018 and May 2019 except tell Arbcom to fuck off. Coupled with a single act of reflection and promise to change at the start of that period (explaining why it is the chosen period), delivered as it was at the eleventh hour, and we are meant to believe Fram is changed man. The guy whose Meta page currently reads like an active shooter's manifesto, identifying all the people who are not just wrong, but corrupt, in his view. Spoiler alert: it's everyone who doesn't think he is an innocent victim.

As he has done many times before in similar cases, Brad has quite deliberately not properly researched a case, preferring instead to simply see what he wanted to see, simply to argue that someone who never was and clearly never will be compatible with Wikipedia, deserves an umpteenth second chance.

Is he just a soft touch, an eternal optimist, or is it a more determined effort to undermine the core Wikipedia policies and principles that he doesn't like. I used to think it was the former, but these past few years, particularly given the level of open contempt for the community in some of his posts, I've come around to the latter.

He's sat back and watched as Fram has failed comprehensively to demonstrate in his discussions with SilkTork that he even has the basic fundamental qualities required of an Administrator. Insight, empathy, intelligence. Indeed he has firmly reconfirmed he has the entirely wrong qualities. Has this changed Brad's view? Of course not. Supposedly, SilkTork is unfairly applying higher standards retrospectively. Sorry, but no. Not even Brad can claim what is being said is new or has never been enforced this way, it has. And he should know, having been part of many of those cases. Just because he so often voted against holding people to the correct standard, doesn't mean it has never existed.

A vote for Brad is a vote for someone whose first instinct in the Fram case was to assume he was the victim, and claim the best way forward was effectively a complete amnesty. It is a vote for someone who then spent a ridiculously short time supposedly reviewing the evidence, before posting a proposed decision that similarly miraculously comprehensively cleared Fram, save the necessary reminder that telling people to fuck off is bad, m'kay?

There is an arrogant bluster about this man. An impenetrable arrogance.

Exactly the sort of person you do not give actual power to. He is doing enough serious damage here in this Fram case, with his entirely undeserved soft power.

[Graaf Statler]

My strong advice to NewYorkBrad is to accept that chair and to use his skills for a massive clean up. At least if he not wanted to be hit by a tremendous exploding shit bomb what will smear his shirt much and much more than that single stain madam Gender noticed on his shirt on the pick on his wiki article.

To be a modern Hercules who is cleaning this tremendous wiki stable, because it's five past twelve.

[CrowsNest]

Come on Brad, don't keep your subjects in suspense.

Look how desperate!

Yes, it's a selfish thing to ask, but would you kindly re-take your seat? –xenotalk 13:27, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

+1. Though I think the technical term at this point would be "chair". Next term, "throne". --GRuban (talk) 14:54, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Nobody knows how to defend an asshole like you Brad.

Time to Make Wikipedia Toxic Again.

[CrowsNest]

I do think "throw the bums out" might be the theme of this years arb election.

The problem will be finding people with sense but who somehow actually want the job.

The theme is the same as it has always been. You get the leaders you deserve.

Stand for election to serve a clueless ungrateful cunt like you? Maybe, if you paid me a million dollars, and I get to go kick you in the nuts whenever I feel like it. Otherwise, no thanks.

This election is going to be such a car crash, whoever it is who remembers where the plans for dissolving the committee and distributing its functions back to the community were hidden six months ago, will have to go find that document, and hope and pray it has a section for dealing with external threats.

You've all totally fucked yourselves, and it's so gratifying that it was people like you who made it happen. People who don't see the irony in insulting each other in this very case just because you don't get to play with the ArbCom pages. People so clueless you genuinely think Fram was the first person to ever get banned from Wikipedia after a secret trial which he couldn't participate in and couldn't appeal.

You get the leaders you deserve. You actually deserve no leaders, because you can't even begin to act like you can or should be led, that you're not actually involved for anyone but yourselves, even the Administrators, who literally volunteered to serve other people.

You deserve Arbitrators that reflect who your loudest agitators really are. Mental cases like Ritchie. Liars like Black Kite. Gang leaders, like Bishonen. Selfish pricks, like Yvangottir. Arrogant tossers like Floquenbeam. Gossip mongers, like Jbhunley. Whatever the fuck is wrong with Jehochman.

A bit of honesty from you fuckers would go along way -- at least the people in the current committee, Opabina aside, look like they can probably function in the real world without getting glassed.

[CrowsNest]

Just another example of your future customer base, any mugs minded to stand....

If arbitrators are genuinely offended by "So it feels as if the only reason for a desysop is to appease the WMF, as if a 100-days ban and an admonishment isn't enough.", then I very much doubt they're ready for what's going to be said about them if they continue on their present course and desysop Fram on no stronger evidence than the "fuck arbcom" diff. —Cryptic 18:06, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

....they're happy to abuse you both because that's what you signed up for, and because they FREELY and WITH COMPLETE IMPUNITY just make shit up to excuse/justify why you should be abused.

You can't fight back, you just have to take it. You can't warn, much less block, this editor, despite their clear and obvious policy breach. Well, you can, but they'll be screaming for a week, and you'll have to deal with so much shit for it.

This is what it means for WP:CIVIL to be unenforceable, and for Bureaucrats to be promoting Administrators who will not enforce it. This sort of comment becomes the norm. Perfect acceptable to suggest you are both incompetent and cowardly, and use that as the excuse to abuse you.

[CrowsNest]

I'm honored to be asked, but I think it's no. I think I'm better placed doing what I do.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:32, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Ha. Having this dude on ArbCom would like making Al Capone the head of the FBI.

What a joke these people are.

[CrowsNest]

They is is typical of usual cowardice seen around election time.

aside from not particularly wanting to, because it's a soul-crushing job and because I prefer to work on content, I am going to keep experiencing major fluctuations in available time, and unless there's a very serious dearth of candidates I'm going to stay out of it. Vanamonde (Talk) 04:51, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Do these fuckheads not get the basic idea of what being autonomous and self-governing means?

It means THE PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE WIKIPEDIANS HAVE TO ACTUALLY STEP UP AND GOVERN THEMSELVES.

[CrowsNest]

Sounds about right.

Only under very limited circumstances and for very specific reasons. Mainly because I have very little free time these days, despite appearances to the contrary. There are others who may be willing to run. I am grateful you asked me, but maybe ask others as well and see what they say. Carcharoth (talk) 02:56, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Drmies abused the office to achieve his selfish personal goals and nobody said nothing, and now it's socially acceptable to be upfront that this is the only reason you would run.

[CrowsNest]

........It's not something I'd rule out, and I can imagine stepping up at some point in future, but like Vanamonde93 I don't think I can reliably promise to be able to put in the necessary hours at this point in time. Family life and IRL commitments make my wiki time somewhat sporadic...... — Amakuru (talk) 09:51, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

[CrowsNest]

Ah, REASONS.

Nah, I have reasons not to both IRL and on-wiki..... TonyBallioni (talk) 04:03, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up then.