The Rambling Man

[Graaf Statler]

Still no sign of anyone from the top table having a solution.

What a bunch of cowards.

Of course not! And I see here the same I have seen what happend on WPNL all the time, they become a hostage of each other, that top table.
They get trapped in their own intrigues, and in that way they create their own prison, there own Hotel California. And they can never escape out it. Because there is simple no the passage back to the place they where before! And in that way they come in a dead spiral where they can't escape out.

You simple can't make Wikipedia great again or fix it. A wiki system is a self destructing system, and at the end of it't life cycles the destruction accelerate. Nobody can stop this or delay this proces, it simple crash at the end. It is the faith of every wiki. And the more they try to fix it, the harder it accelerate and the sooner it crash.

Mark my words!

[CrowsNest]

In a surprise move, TRM has been site banned.

As if.

No, after all that, it has been concluded TRM is to become the most special of special cases.

At first glance, it looks like ArbCom taking more responsibility for handling the special needs child of Wikipedia. In reality, it is just an even greater incentive for corrupt Administrators to get Sandstein out of the picture and maintain the fiction that TRM is only guilty of minor offences.

Just another cannonball to the civility pillar.

In response, TRM, is, of course, whining. When does he not?

He is already complaining these special measures are not clear enough for him, that they don't let him do even more than he has generously been allowed through creation of a special custom topic ban just for him. And they are already bending over backwards to make them clearer for him, already giving him a green light as to where he can and cannot insult people.

This was the best they could come up with, they claim. Bullshit. It is the inevitable result of discipline by Committee, a complete dog's breakfast of incompatible priorities and mixed messaging. Given how weak it is, you really do have to wonder if anyone in the secret deliberations started from the position that he has already done more than enough to merit a ban.

[CrowsNest]

As the Arbs are now spilling their guts, we can see this motion is the result of their collective decision to.....

1. Assume that TRM won't seek to game the system, this time
2. Assume that TRM will respect the fact they are choosing to keep trusting him to do the right thing, this time
3. Formally accept the idea that in a collaborative project, isolating problem users in their own special places, is a workable aspect of Wikipedia governance
4. Hope that bad solution to a long term problem that pisses everyone off, is better than a clean break

This is not going to end well. Hardly any point in doing 1. or 2., when you already know what TRM is all about through repeated prior examples, and you can barely even bring yourselves to say the words 'this is your last fucking chance'. Point 3. is obviously dumb, guaranteed to simply further toxify Wikipedia. Point 4. I've covered repeatedly.

Hard to feel bad for them for what is to come, since they all deserve it. Even those who didn't agree with this motion, that they went along with it, that they are not resigning in protest, shows that every last one of them deserves the pain that is to come. As does every last community member, because they all bought into the idea this is now they want to be governed. They want to be ruled by cowards and idiots, whose sympathies are massively skewed in favour of the productive assholes among them (and it is disputed TRM is even productive!), over what is (proven by academia) to be good for the collective. That is the Eric Corbett problem which they never quite solved.

See, the ferret fucker is destroying Wikipedia even while nominally not being a part of it. Thanks to these cowards, he can of course return at any time, and carry on actively pursuing his mission. If the cancer rumour had been true, he would likely still be destroying Wikipedia from beyond the grave.

They should have dealt with him years ago. They don't, so like a fungus, his very being has spread to infect every part of the organism, long after the original host has departed.

[CrowsNest]

This has now properly descended into a farce. EdChem is now on hand, trying to rival the drafting of the Treaty of Versaiile with this nonsense. In total, more words have been expended on the BULLSHIT than in some actual ArbCom cases.

I thought all these people were meant to be concerned with the quality of Wikipedia? Isn't the prevailing theory that all collective time spent on this, is time lost to the encyclopedia? It being just a theory, since we already know if TRM wasn't doing this, he'd be being a whiny little bitch in another slightly different area of what is his favourite battle ground.

TRM of course would like the Committee to stop amending the motion, and he of course flipped out when, at a late stage, Opabina suddenly remembered what the original issue was, and made a change that means TRM is now facing a ban from commenting on editor's competence, not just their general competence. Even when she's doing good things, she's useless at it.

Ironic that TRM's first reaction was to question the general competence of the Committee.

SINCE THE MOTION HAS BEEN MODIFIED SEVERAL TIMES SINCE THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, COULD WE AT LEAST GET A BLOODY BASELINE AGAINST WHICH ARBCOM MEMBERS SHOULD BE VOTING??? How can any process with any legitimacy vote on proposals which keep changing their verbiage? For the love of anything, get your own house in order before requesting a consensus. I know you have no idea how to run a such a committee, but this lop-sided, half-arsed voting against an ever-changing proposal is of the upmost embarrassment. You already know that. Get a fucking grip. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:17, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Nobody noticed. Nobody cares. To expect TRM to be on his best behaviour when the issue of how to further control his behaviour is under consideration, is of course out of the question. Too much like what would happen in a real disciplinary process for their amateur hour tastes.

TRM was obviously scared that his ALL CAPS outburst might have been noticed however, because of course, he asked his Defence Counsel to post this on his behalf....

IRL, I'm organising a funeral and sorting out the affairs of a loved one who's died. It's time consuming, upsetting and not easy. Apologies for reacting badly to the length of time this process is taking, the lack of clarity on what's being voted on and false accusations of socking and causing Crisco's departure, but they were aggravating factors. I plan to discontinue watching this page and will only get involved again if a sitting Arb asks me to on my talk page. I'm happy for you to make whatever decisions you need to and inform me of them. Thank you.

Those with memories, will of course recall that he has been doing this for the last few weeks, and it hasn't led him to disengage, not from Wikipedia or this fight, not even when things appeared to be getting quite heated and disputed. He was cool and calm, sarcastic and poisonous, hypocritical and self-obsessed. His normal self, basically.

As usual, the fake dead Grandad only rears his ghostly head when TRM is really facing trouble. Ordinary levels of trouble, he can handle, and as TRM told us, doing his normal routine of engaging in wiki-battle with his enemies, is what his dead old Zombie Grandad "would have wanted".

But not being able to question people's competence at all? And with Opabina just not seeing why Sandstein should recuse? That's trouble. That's TRM seeing a site ban in his immediate future. CUE DEAD GRANDAD, STAT!

They bought it, again, or course. Mugs.

[CrowsNest]

Fun fact, TRM made 63, 64 and 65 edits on the 10th, 11th and 12th respectively, right when he was of course supposed to be indisposed, as he got Dweller to tell people anyway. It must be really embarrassing to be used like that.

In other news, at 19:03, the motion was finally passed.

Given the innumerable flaws with the finally "agreed" wording, and the number of easy loopholes which people will be seeking to exploit now allowed by the last-gasp removal of the word "general", we're going to need to re-visit this one, just a heads-up. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:05, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

I can't decide whether TRM's tone here, as if he's involved in some kind of negotiation, is a natural byproduct of his ego, or a reflection of just how much of a pushover the Committee has been.

[CrowsNest]

All this confusion between constructive feedback and criticizing someone's competence, that would explain a few bosses I've had! "You should put a comma there" = fine. "You're apparently too stupid to know you need a comma there" = no. Obviously nobody intends to tell TRM he can't review articles or collaborate on content. In fact I think providing solicited critical feedback - input people have specifically requested or invited - would be an excellent place to refocus energy. If the hypothetical gleeful hand-rubbers do in fact materialize, you can always (yes, I know we're not speedy) file an ARCA. Opabinia regalis (talk) 08:21, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Very clear words. No ambguity that I can see. No possible way for TRM can be caught out, hounded out, or be unclear in any way about what is expected of him. If he has a genuine good faith commitment to stop the behaviour people (specifically these fifteen people) find to be problematic.

Or at least that is how normal people would react. TRM and his enablers, supporters, apologists and eggers on, not so much. Both he and they are literally predicting things of this motion which are directly contradicted by the above Holy Writ of an Arbitrator. And not one of them is being blocked for being deliberately disruptive. I think you, dear reader, sensible as you are, may now see where the roots of theses sorts of problems lie, no?

If not, here, let me be clear.....

Thou may block people who repeatedly lie or otherwise deliberately misrepresent what others have said for their own selfish end to further a dispute until they gain a more favourable outcome that is contrary to Wikipedia's best interest, which is a calm and respectful environment for all, or at least those with a good faith intent to be a part of such a thing.

Who said that? WP:CIVIL said that.

But FUCK HIM (HER?) (IT). Interfering busy body. Who wrote these fucking policies anyway?

[CrowsNest]

"Harassment"

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =873816060

[CrowsNest]

Apparently, as soon as this imaginary Grandad has been buried, TRM is going to be filing a clarification to clarify this clarification to his satisfaction. Obviously that isn't going to hapoen, TRM has a long history of claiming he is going to do something to make people change course, and then not actually following through with it, regardless of what they do. But let's imagine it might happen. On what planet is his current activity level not sufficient to progress such a thing? Whatever these preparations are for this imaginary funeral, as I have pointed out repeatedly, they aren't affecting his level of participation to Wikipedia in any way. He's only goes away when he sees the rolled up newspaper hovering above his head.

[Graaf Statler]

"Harassment"

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =873816060

To understand Wikipedia you have to understand first autism and temper tantrums. That is the reason WMF creates safe spaces, low-noise spaces, had the best paid troll ever on there safety department etc.
Why? Because these are people with little changes in life, and who are able to produce tons of rubbish in no time. They are the cork what Wikipedia keeps on floating, they are the page watchers, they must feel safe. Because, good work cost so much time, and who is willing to do that for free?

I was, because for me it was a kind of study, self development, something new and exiting. It was a challenge, learning all kind of new things I never learned in my life, but that was the only reason I was there.
Now they can walk to the hell and fuck themself for me with there trollolopedia. Or each other, is also fine for me.

Anyway, now they can fuck off and disappear out of my life with all there Trolloprojects. Whit there complete money spoiling Trollo-Wmf with global heater Maher, there lying trollo-gender bitches and witches, Trollopedia, Trollomedia chapters, Trollopsychose, there abitroll committees, there troll sysops, there lying troll lawyers, there trollocrazy forum, trolling Jackass, with everything in short. I do nothing for them anymore. I don't want them and I don't need them.

[CrowsNest]

People think Wikipedia has a problem with harassment. A far bigger problem is reverse harassment - the fondness for some users to stick their tongue right up the rectum of certain other users, and extract all the chocolatey goodness.

As seen in this latest episode, the Dweller - TRM relationship is pretty fucking sick at the best of times (I wouldn't defend my own brother as hard as he does TRM).

Is it a problem? Or course it is. Because it leads to casual stupidity like this....

On your Errors page for 29 November are these:...........Are you really going to add these five examples to your 800+ figure and call them "Errors"? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:45, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

I don't know how many TRM is or isn't going to count. Some of them strike me as errors, others not. Either way, it doesn't really bother me, but I am curious about your concern. Do you think TRM's count needs to be audited to ensure quality standards, because that would be extremely ironic, given that the count doesn't appear on main page. Because I can't believe you'd be trying to muddy the waters in a ridiculous attempt to suggest that there aren't piles and piles of dreadful quality issues coming out of projects that are supposed to be producing material suitable for main page. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:58, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

I am interested to know which of these you consider are errors, because they all seem to me to be just concerned with the precise wording of the hooks. In the old days, before ERRORS2, TRM used to tweak hooks in prep in this way, and this was so much more convenient than the present arrangement of not inspecting them until they are in the queue. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:43, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

It doesn't appear on the Main Page, no. It did appear on another very official part of Wikipedia however.....

But just a quick glance at WP:TRM will show that of the 879 reports I've raised there since mid-July, 815 of them have been resolved, i.e. a 90% hit rate. Now please show me any single other editor in the history of Wikipedia who has a better ratio. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:23, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Please show me some audited statistics first.

This being Wikipedia, Arbitrator WormThatTurned simply blithely accepted "90% hit rate" as a relevant statistic in the public deliberations over what to do about the TRM problem. As in, 'gee, if we ban him, we lose someone with a 90% success rate at identifying Main Page errors'. As if other people willing to do that work had not already literally said, I will never do it while that psycho is around. So Christ fucking knows what was being said in the private deliberations.

These people are genuinely thick as fuck. I bet they get scammed all the time.

Hey Dweller. I have some high quality tongue cleaning wipes going cheap, just $599 a month. This cannot be missed offer expires once we end this call. ARE YOU IN?