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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:12 am
by CrowsNest
A classic example of Administrative bullying seems like a nice way to kick off a thread for Tony......
Born2cycle (talk · contribs · logs · edit filter log · block log)

I really don't want to be here, but I think we've reached a point where we need to evaluate whether or not he needs to be sanctioned. For those unaware, Born2cycle was indefinitely blocked by Dennis Brown for what I can only classify as long-term disruption in the RM area (see this AE thread started by me.) He was then unblocked without any discussion. After his unblock, a new AE thread was filed by Black Kite due to continued disruption in the RM area after being as unblocked (see thread.) It was closed as being outside of AE action, and nothing was brought to ARCA or ANI afterwards.

B2C is now fixating on Kidnapping of Jayme Closs, arguing that BLPCRIME should not apply if someone has confessed to a crime but hasn't been convicted and that if sources believe someone is a murderer without a conviction based on a confession, we should call them a killer and say that they killed someone. That is of course a content dispute, but given my history with B2C (see this user talk thread), I felt that alerting them to the BLP discretionary sanctions was appropriate in case it became needed on the kidnapping article. I gave him the alert without comment, and it clearly stated that it was simply informational. His response was to revert me calling me a jerk. I then explained to him why I alerted him: he'd never had a BLP alert, and they need to be given if DS is in effect and may be needed because of conflict. He then responded by calling me unplesant. He then further clarified by accusing me of incivility, apparently for letting him know that BLP sanctions existed.

While I normally have pretty thick skin, I think what we have here is a long-term tendentious editor, who really never should have been unblocked to begin with given the clear consensus for a block at AE the first time, who knows how the AE system works, and responds to people following it with incivility and aspersions. On the whole, I think he's pretty clearly a net negative to the project and think he should be blocked again, but I'm obviously involved, so I'm bringing it to the community to discussion. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:41, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

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Proposal (Born2cycle)

Okay, given that opinion is split on a indef/site ban, but there does seem to be consensus that B2C's way of interacting with others on this site is disruptive, I'm proposing the following: Born2cycle is indefinitely restricted to one edit in 24 hours per page in the Talk and Wikipedia talk namespace. This sanction may be appealed no earlier than 6 months, and then every 6 months thereafter. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:10, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Support As proposer. I think he's a longterm net-negative to the project, and should not be allowed to continue to contribute, but that is unlikely to happen without an ArbCom case, and I don't think anyone wants that. This sanction addresses the problem that people have identified above that he is completely unable to drop the stick or consider the views of those beside himself as legitimate, while still allowing him to participate on Wikipedia and not overwhelm discussions. I think it is a good middle ground, and for those of us who think he falls into net-negative territory is an exercise in WP:ROPE: either this works and he becomes a productive editor, or it fails and it becomes evident to the community that he is not able to reform. Either way, the problem will be solved by this. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:10, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Why does Wikipedia even allow this?

If WP:INVOLVED means anything (Tony having admitted himself that he is involved wrt user), then not only should it bar Administrators from blocking, but also from being the supposed summarisers and chief drivers of the direction of their own AN/I reports where they declare involvement, perhaps even to bar them from filing such reports if they cannot be constrained to simple matters of fact.

It is very easy to understand why people feel there is a bullying culture in Wikipedia Administration, when you see the lack of care here toward the principles of impartiality and due process. Nothing about this at all suggests Tony sees his role as a mere janitor, just the person who pushes the block button. The mention of Arbitration seems a clear case of casting aspersions and poisoning the well.

Obviously he wants his participation here to be seen as merely a concerned citizen, taking his Administrator hat off due to his involvement (at least I hope he does), but it is frankly impossible to do so when you realise, the only element of this report that has nothing to do with his potential prejudices, is the fact the user perhaps made too many comments in a debate, and called someone a jerk, but even then, in both cases, these things happened in response to things Tony did to the user, so are tainted for the purposes of being judged, as having likely been the results of his prejudice.

Even if the user absolutely deserves to be banned from Wikipedia based on a cold reading of their record, it is precisely because of the shortcomings of people like Tony, that they always leave with the distinct impression they have been bullied off the project.

Re: TonyBallioni

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:04 pm
by Graaf Statler
TonyBallioni is a typical "cabal" member close related to Drmies. He declared in his request to the Dutch arbcom in what I call Whaledad gate that Trijnstel, a proven troll and steward was someone he trusted very much. He tried together with all kind of misty users and sock masters like De Wikischim and others to get ride of the integer Whaledad as a Check User and sysop, and I think with a very good reason. Mdd was heavy involved in this game together with Lidewij, typical troll account where a heavy autistic user has acces to, I think Ymnes. Romaine is one of the users who has acces to the wikischim account, so the net is closing around the Drmies troll farm.

Tony is just a member of the troll farm how is for years and years changing wikipedia in a chaos under the cover of good faith and trust us.

Re: TonyBallioni

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:26 am
by CrowsNest
FWIW, WP:ADMINACCT actually does allow for desysoping for gross breach of trust along with several other things beyond tool misuse, and the committee has desysoped for breach of trust before when no major tool misuse happened (Salv in the MisterWiki case). Like Beeblebrox, I'm not commenting on whether or not their should be a case, but there is a policy-based argument for a desysop here even without abuse of the sysop toolkit. Also, I just realized that Breach of basic policies (attacks, biting/civility, edit warring, privacy, etc.) is also mentioned as grounds for desysop, so violations of the privacy policy would seem to count as well. Again, not saying there should be a case, but that it isn't a black and white "he didn't use the sysop toolkit" question. TonyBallioni (talk) 18:07, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
You "just realised"? :?

What. The. Actual. Fuck. :?:

A perfect example of the sort of total incompetence that is riven right through the Wikipedia Administrator ranks. It is practically a defining feature of this rare breed of supposedly their best users, you are almost surprised when one of them actually does know a basic and obvious matter of policy that directly pertains to their role. If they knew this stuff, then this toxic idea you can only be desysopped for "tool abuse" wouldn't be practically a fucking Wikipedia meme, it would be a phrase uttered only by the wandering winos of the community, the Wnt's of wikiland.

In this specific case, not only is this guy clearly an ABSOLUTE FUCKWIT, he feels no shame or embarrassment in running around Wikipedia acting like he knows the roles and responsibilities of Administrators better than Jimmy Wales himself.

Is it seriously any wonder the entire project is a joke?

Re: TonyBallioni

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:00 pm
by Graaf Statler
If there is one person in the world I should like to talk with onder vier ogen, under four eye's it is Jimmy Walles. Like I said before Jimmy did a lot of awfully supide things in his life, but he is the first one to admit that himself. I can't imagine this is what he wants with "his" Wikipedia.

I don't trust that TonyBallioni account. Because on WP-EN I can't find anything, really nothing and he knew his way strait to arbcom WP-NL to complain about Whaledad. And he said he trusted Trijnstel ;) (That steward with that horny blink ;) ;) ) blind. And he is the shadow of Drmies.
He knew the situation very well on Wikiquote-NL. It must be or a native Dutch speaker or he has help from one or several Dutch native speaker. Because try to find your way on WP-NL when you are not a native Dutch speaker, and you will find out that is almost impossible.

Re: TonyBallioni

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:49 pm
by CrowsNest

Re: TonyBallioni

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:42 pm
by Graaf Statler
As you can see here is the TonyBallioni account created 3:26, 9 October 2007 with this edit:
3:26, 9 October 2007 diff hist +1,340‎ User talk:Awheeley ‎ Notification: Speedy deletion nomination of Christians in the media. using TW

What makes clear it is a sock. Because he knows his way om Pedia very well.

20:36, 12 October 2007 diff hist +710‎ User talk: ‎ Caution: Vandalism on Dianetics. using TW
20:35, 12 October 2007 diff hist -154‎ m Dianetics ‎ Reverted 1 edit by identified as vandalism to last revision by SchuminWeb. using TW
21:03, 9 October 2007 diff hist -67‎ African spurred tortoise ‎ →‎Size and Lifespan: removing non-verifiable content
20:03, 9 October 2007 diff hist +12‎ m African spurred tortoise ‎ adding cleanup tag this article is written as a how-to manual and needs cleanup
04:33, 9 October 2007 diff hist +1‎ Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CrossRoads Middle School ‎ →‎CrossRoads Middle School
04:32, 9 October 2007 diff hist +63‎ Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CrossRoads Middle School ‎ →‎CrossRoads Middle School
04:32, 9 October 2007 diff hist +64‎ Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CrossRoads Middle School ‎ →‎CrossRoads Middle School
04:16, 9 October 2007 diff hist +8‎ Scarlet macaw ‎ →‎Diet
03:38, 9 October 2007 diff hist +779‎ User talk:Chilichikin ‎ General note: Page blanking, removal of content or templates on Skybreaker. using TW current
03:36, 9 October 2007 diff hist +7,802‎ m Skybreaker ‎ Reverted to revision 162943209 by; rv. using TW
03:34, 9 October 2007 diff hist +1,326‎ N User talk:Sjlopez~enwiki ‎ Notification: Speedy deletion nomination of Global well-being. using TW
03:26, 9 October 2007 diff hist +1,340‎ User talk:Awheeley ‎ Notification: Speedy deletion nomination of Christians in the media. using TW

Drmies is a sock account too from 2007. Have a look at his first edit.
02:57, 30 August 2007 diff hist -7‎ Marie de France ‎ removed erroneous and extraneous word

18:34, 4 September 2007 diff hist -2‎ m Marillion ‎ →‎The Fish Era
18:33, 4 September 2007 diff hist -1‎ m Marillion ‎ →‎The Fish Era
18:32, 4 September 2007 diff hist -155‎ Marillion ‎ →‎The Fish Era: cleaned up this horrible piece
18:11, 4 September 2007 diff hist -3‎ m Grendel (novel) ‎ →‎Literary styles: corrected terrible grammatical mistake
18:08, 4 September 2007 diff hist +2‎ m Grendel (novel) ‎ →‎Plot introduction: changed vague phrase
21:02, 30 August 2007 diff hist -8‎ m Lancelot ‎ →‎In film: deleted awful, incorrect commas
20:52, 30 August 2007 diff hist -10‎ m Marie de France ‎ removed superfluous word
03:12, 30 August 2007 diff hist -1‎ m Matilda Betham-Edwards ‎ corrected punctuation error
03:10, 30 August 2007 diff hist +28‎ m Marie de France ‎ corrected oopsie
03:06, 30 August 2007 diff hist +8‎ m Marie de France ‎ edited/corrected hyperlink
03:05, 30 August 2007 diff hist +95‎ m Lais ‎ added link
03:03, 30 August 2007 diff hist +60‎ m Marie de France ‎ removed ungrammatical construction, reorganized a sentence or two
02:57, 30 August 2007 diff hist -7‎ Marie de France ‎ removed erroneous and extraneous word

They make the same kind of edits. It seems to me two socks out of the troll farm around Mies.

Re: TonyBallioni

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:56 pm
by Graaf Statler
And for who still didn't't know who's sock TonyBallioni is, well have a look here.
Op Meta is de afgelopen dagen een discussie gaande over het optreden van Whaledad, zie hier, waarbij ik Whaledad heb opgeroepen zijn functies neer te leggen, waaronder zijn functie als bureaucraat alhier. Hierbij wil ik dit verzoek herhalen, en de discussie hieromtrent hier openen. Een verdere toelichting volgt. -- Mdd (overleg) 3 jul 2018 12:28 (CEST


I know what this is related to - Natuur12 RonnieV Vinvlugt wthjmkuiper Mvdleeuw Woudloper- you guys gave this clown CHECKUSER? That's an extremely bad idea. Just look ONE TOPIC ABOVE. Wow. SQLQuery me! 02:51, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
This is beyond ridiculous. This user has issues dating back YEARS on nl.wikiquote and has set up a fiefdom there where he rules by arbitrary decision and is basically the sole admin, refuses any attempt at actual accountability, and blocks user at random without even bothering to check their user page. This user has no business having any advanced rights on any project, and if need be I will esculate this to the WMF and seek his removal as a CheckUser as an office action. He literally blocked me on nl.wikiquote for preforming a global rename. This defies all explanation. Whaledad, if you have any decency, you will resign this and your other rights. You simply cannot be trusted. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:58, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


I have to admit this was a piece of briljant trolling of Mies, he really has upgraded trolling to a kind of art, and became a specialist in destroying projects complete. it is so briljant, it is so genius, also with that gender blog. I really have changed in a Drmies fan, because he is the man how has destroyed wikipedia complete.

Die eer krijg je echt van me, Mies, geweldig! Werkelijk, er is geen spaan meer van over uiteindelijk en ze zijn reddeloos verloren. Compleet reddeloos, geen Julia Reda kan ze meer redden, niemand meer. De Titanic is vol op de ijsberg gelopen, en ja "the orchestra"speelt nog ff op volle sterkte en extra hard vanuit hun wikikont 2019, maar dat was het dan wel.

Re: TonyBallioni

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:02 am
by Tommy
Tony looks like a sleeper account, created to reach admin status. He registered well over a decade ago. Did almost nothing, sat on the shelf waiting. Then he made a whole bunch of edits between August 2016 and his RfA around October 2017 to topics (Papal Conclaves) which wouldn't cause too much fuss. He was also nice to everyone. RfA successful.

He then leaves content creation behind, and goes hat collection - garnering oversight and CU.

I saw this on reddit: ... nths_then/

the link to Stormfront on reddit is rather shocking:

Seems Tony has written an essay, that he admins by, that entails blocking editors who complain content inserted is antisemitic: ... =885257605

So, inserting antisemitic or white supremacist material into Wikipedia is merely a "content dispute". Calling out the nature of such stuff is a "personal attack" leading to an instablock. No wonder he's admired on Stormfront.

Re: TonyBallioni

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:22 pm
by Graaf Statler ... 14&t=10188

May I remind the lady's and gentleman Wikipediocracyans Tony must have Dutch roots, or has the help of someone with Dutch roots, and Madam Gender too? Because I see it in there postings, Tony knows his way too well on WP-NL for a non-Dutch speaker, and lady gender know Holland inside very, very well. On a level of a native Dutch person to be more exacte. And, lady gender is often posting about catholic religion female matters and female saints too.
And Tony is often in the shadow of our beloved Drmies and why was tony so interested in the Dutch Wikiquote, is horny Trijnstel ;) a good friend of him according to himself, and did he want to get ride of Whaledad as a CU on WP-NL?
Draw your own conclusions. But it seems to me all meat- or sock puppets belonging to the Drmies troll complex.

Re: TonyBallioni

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:13 am
by Graaf Statler
According to some WMF banned users, I’m one of Drmies many Dutch socking CUs, so that makes sense that we’d be banned under both accounts. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:03, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Not true. All I have said is you are one of Drmies his sock or meat puppets, because it is impossible for a no-native Dutch speaker to find his way on the Dutch wiki- projects like you did because they are total differed build up than the English Wikipedia, and you knew al the important key players there. (See link below) You belong to that troll Mies group including horny Trijnstel, Mdd, Romaine, sock Wikischim, wonderboy Ymnes and the rest, that is what I claim.

Many times I have seen in that group, also with Moira troll bot the "borrowing" of each other accounts. And that is all what I claimed, not that you are a classic sock of Mies.
And nice if you are speaking about WMF banned users if you yourself belong to the troll complex what has fix that global lock and global ban to protect themself and has made the complete crazy and insane Parate Party philosophy to the norm of the resistant against article 11 and 13 of WMF.
Thank you very much is the only thing they can say to you, because your astroturfing has made very clear to many MEP's regulation is desperate needed. This strict new regulation is mostly thanks to you! So, I expect if Article 13 has past in May the European publishers and music industry will send flowers and sweets to WMF because without there insane astroturfing they had never managed to pas that article 11 and 13 in the Europarlement! That astroturfing has been the most effective weapon in there lobbying I have understand.

I just want to know when I learned Dutch. Next time I’m in Alabama I’ll come by for lessons in my native language. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:02, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Zal een keertje tijd worden, gozer! Drmies (talk) 04:03, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

i'k zou wat snuggere vriendjes zoeken in het vervolg Mies, want erg slim zijn ze niet.. Want zoals je zelf kunt zien staat elke bewijs van de connecties tussen jouw en Tony in deze topic. Of wilde jij soms beweren dat een willekeurige -naar eigen zeggen- Amerikaans/Canadese gebruiker als Tony zomaar spontaan in WQ-NL en de Nederlandse abcomcommissie (waar jij tijden deel van uitgemaakt hebt trouwens) geïnteresseerd zou zijn? En op de Whaledad zo gebeten raakt? En dat Natuur12 geen sock puppet van je is?

Kom op Mies, kijk eens op Whaly zijn OP op Meta. daar zwermt toch het hele circus rond? TonyBallioni, Wikischim, Mdd, BoH, RonnieV, en noem ze maar op.
De complete abitroll commissie wordt daar zelfs opgeroepen mee te denken hoe Whaly de laan uitgestuurd kan worden!
En jij hebt me toch persoonlijk er met die achterlijke Ymnes sok en je Natuur12 sock eruit getrollt? Omdat ik claimde dat Mdd en Romaine=>Wikimedia gewoon Piraten Partij onzin uitkraamde? Of wilde je dat nu ook al gaan ontkennen? ... on=history

En vanwaar eigenlijk al die fascinatie voor Wally, de door mij gevraagde sysop indertijd op Wikiquote? Wat moet die Tony in vredesnaam met die totaal geschifte Mdd daar? ... d=51929517

By the way, Whaly has resigned as a CU He has never used his tools.
Ik hecht er aan om te benadrukken dat ik op geen enkel moment gebruik heb gemaakt van de rechten verbonden aan dit bitje ... =&subtype= ... _Checkuser