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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... Candidates

Voting closed on 21 November (as far as I can tell!) yet people were still messing with this page after that. So it was locked 2 days later. That idiot genius SarekOfVulcan withdrew before it was closed. (He's still not a "popular insider" and never will be.)

It is now 12 December and still no smoke from the magic chimney. I have no doubt that ugly political struggles are going on in private over the vote tally and how it should be falsified, in order to insure that the "correct people" become arbitrators. And it remains the same petty and meaningless shit that it was when Jimbo created the Arbcom in 2003.
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Some members of the "community" hold the strange belief that Arbcom was started by "community action", which could not be further from the truth; it was created by Jimmy Wales, on the WikiEN-l mailing list, on 4 December 2003. By fiat, with the first members thereof "elected" by Wales. And no one else.

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I totally agree. I have heard that they are 2 short of filling all the seats because not enough got a high enough vote percentage to pass. I guess we'll see soon enough if that is just rumor or fact.

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Me too. That arbcom circus is all Jimmy shit and has nothing to do with arbitration, fair elections or with justice. It is all fake. It is complete corrupt.

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I have heard that they are 2 short of filling all the seats because not enough got a high enough vote percentage to pass.

That might be a major warning flag that English Wikipedia is declining. When they can't get enough voters for an Arbcom election, they've got a serious problem.

The tally was finally posted late yesterday. The "most popular candidates" (lol) were KrakatoaKatie, Callanecc, Opabinia regalis and Worm That Turned. Good little obedient and exploitable Jimbofans, too boring to discuss on a criticism forum.

I'm starting to miss the real bastards like Will Beback, FT2 and Cirt--at least their shrieking insanity gave us some entertainment. Now it's just "grind grind block" like the monkeys with typewriters.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2017/Candidates
Voting closed on 21 November (as far as I can tell!)

The November date is the cutoff for declaring candidacy. The voting closed Dec 10. You can find whatever election is current at WP:ACE. It usually takes about 10 days, so this announcement on Jimbo's talk page is about on target.

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Some members of the "community" hold the strange belief that Arbcom was started by "community action", which could not be further from the truth; it was created by Jimmy Wales, on the WikiEN-l mailing list, on 4 December 2003. By fiat, with the first members thereof "elected" by Wales. And no one else.

Very nice find. The link is [url]https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-December/008801.html]here[/url].

So, I have two questions.

1) What is arbcom good for? If it disappeared tomorrow, would you have to replace it with something? What would ideal governance look like? What kind of mandate and what kind of people would be needed to make it work, and how would you know if it was working?

2) A number of people have written some rather unflattering things about their private communications with the arbcom, some in nationally published sources, others in forums. Mostly this is in connection with appeals. You may remember I used to write a regular arbcom feature for the Signpost a few years back and based on my own experiences, I have no reason to doubt what has been written. How can an individual protect themselves when dealing with arbcom, especially when there are privacy issues? There seems to be no public way to track communications with them, no accountability.


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Okay, I think people don't want to answer this, at least publicly, for a number of reasons, the most likely being it's a complicated subject and they don't know. But I thought it important to ask in a forum like this. I have talked to a lot of people about this, and I don't have the complete answer, but I believe it can be solved. If anyone doesn't want to go through the moderation restrictions here, or whatever, they are welcome to email me, my contact info is very public.


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Personally the arbcom could be dissolved tomorrow and no one would notice and there are only a few things that would need to be done by someone else:
- Review of bans could be done a variety of ways. On Wiki, on Meta, via UTRS, etc.
- Review of admin misconduct could/should be done by the functionaries like the Bureaucrats and then in turn they could be reviewed by the WMF. The WMF are ultimately responsible for the conduct of them anyway regardless of what arguments they make to the contrary.

Literally nothing else they do is of value and mostly the stuff they do creates more problems and controversy than if they didn't even exist. The Arbcom is just another failed bad idea from Jimbo.

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Personally the arbcom could be dissolved tomorrow and no one would notice and there are only a few things that would need to be done by someone else:
- Review of bans could be done a variety of ways. On Wiki, on Meta, via UTRS, etc.
- Review of admin misconduct could/should be done by the functionaries like the Bureaucrats and then in turn they could be reviewed by the WMF. The WMF are ultimately responsible for the conduct of them anyway regardless of what arguments they make to the contrary.

Literally nothing else they do is of value and mostly the stuff they do creates more problems and controversy than if they didn't even exist. The Arbcom is just another failed bad idea from Jimbo.

I don't think so, Kum. Because complete WMF, Meta and the rest is as rotten as arbcom. Simple, Wikipedia is far beyond repair, there is no way to fix it.
My prediction for this year is: 2018 is the year the first wiki, boondoggle WP-NL and WM-NL collaps. The chaos after the troll intervention of WMF with hand of the king Natuur12 is indescribable, it is indescribable what happens there.

The trolls and extremists are dancing undisturbed around, and the "management" is biting, kicking and scratching each other, and don't have time for anything else anymore. It's a wiki in it's last stadium, the end is near by, the point of no return is past long ago, Wikipedia-NL is running full speed, and even accelerating with Natuur12 and friends as a catalyst to the ravine. There is no escape posible, the hangman is waiting for them. By te way, the used troll intervention technique looks to me a Jimbo invention, I recognize the hand of the master.
And I think other wiki's follow soon.

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Okay, I think people don't want to answer this, at least publicly, for a number of reasons, the most likely being it's a complicated subject and they don't know. But I thought it important to ask in a forum like this. I have talked to a lot of people about this, and I don't have the complete answer, but I believe it can be solved. If anyone doesn't want to go through the moderation restrictions here, or whatever, they are welcome to email me, my contact info is very public.


Well, I'll try.

Long ago when I was in the "Wikipedia can be reformed" camp, I had some ideas about reforming Arbcom to make it more effective. One idea was dividing the 15 arbitrators into groups of three with five arbs each or maybe groups of five with three arbs each. Each group would have their own private mailing lists separate from each other, while having access to the Arbcom wiki discussing the case. Groups would handle arbitration requests, appeals, and clarifications. Appeals would be handled by a group different from the one that created and executed the case. So, for example, there would be Group A, B, and C. The Aardvark case would be decided by Group A and any appeals would be handled by Group B. Group B could let the verdict stand, ask Group A for further clarification, or create a new, final verdict based on the evidence. Group C could be hearing another separate case and/or being handling appeals from Group A or B. It's all about division of labor and speeding along the process.

In a sense, I'm not really seeing a lot of Arbcom cases like in years past. The Wikipedia community usually dispenses justice/vengeance more now on the administrator boards and cases are not getting sent to Arbcom except where there's a great deal of division among the elite. Arbcom may not have a reason to exist if the community decides to take more matters into its own hands... and that's pretty much how wiki communities work. It's an organic process for good and/or ill. Arbcom may become an appendix that simply loses its usefulness.

Another idea that we discussed on the old Wikipedia Review was bringing in third-party professional mediators and arbitrators if the Wikimedia Foundation would be willing to pay for them or find some way to get them to work for free. Fat chance that would happen either way. The WMF will not spend money on that kind of thing and no professional would want to work for free in a stressful community like Wikipedia, at least not for long.

Of course, it's all rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, but that's my view for what it's worth.

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Of course, it's all rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, but that's my view for what it's worth.

That's correct. Wikipedia is a failed radical ideological project, what has changed in one big Titanic, or in one big Hotel California. They have started as a free source mouvement, but have picked up on there way to the iceberg all kinds of radical feminism, a anti-Israel and pro Palestina bias, and many other radical ideas. I shouldn't call them leftish, they are radical anarchist. Wikipedia should be the new standard, and that's the reason they try to infiltrate with there money wasting chapters in the real world to spread there vision. And now you understand that insane Mouvement Strategy 2030. There foolish and flipped vision had to be the world standard in 2030.

Arbcom is just a instrument to reach these goals by kicking out who does't fit in there philosophies. They even have abused the Dutch Wikipedia Arbcom to kick me out of Wikiquote, because I didn't agree with there absurd law breaking interpretation of the Dutch copyright law.
Wikipedia is a militant organization, you have to understand that very well, and arbcom is only a kind of tribunal to reach that goals, no matter how. By lying, by trolling, by dirty tricks, it doesn't matter.
Arbcom is nothing and has no power, it's just a organ with a mix of wikitrolls and stupide, useful idiots, what has to to obey.

What, not true? Have a look here.. So stupide they are, they don't even realize all there arbcom shit is saved in the wikimedia software...


Impression of the way how arbcom is operating.

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