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Re: Wikipedia Administrator Boing! said Zebedee teams up with Wikipediocracy to threaten OberRanks

Post by ericbarbour » Sun Aug 28, 2022 9:02 pm

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Sun Aug 28, 2022 6:48 am
The issue from 2012 I only vaguely remember, and it was one of two people as I recall, but can't remember which. There was an Air Force sergeant, very vain man, posted some very personal information about himself and his family, revealing who he was, and then someone said they called his Air Force base and told the IT office he was editing Wikipedia during working hours.
Probably Videmus Omnia. There's a book wiki item. As usual, ya can't tell who was crazier. The result was a really stupid arbitration---against one of the guys threatening him, Jim62sch (who ALREADY had a long history of harassing people). And OrangeMarlin, one of the most narcissistic assholes Wikipedia has EVER seen, showed up to support him. On the talkpage others were openly encouraging each other to harass "problem editors" in real life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... n/Jim62sch

Can't think of a better place to repost a photo of OrangeMarlin. A "Good Wikipedian". Blocked in 2011 for "harassment" lol.
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Re: Wikipedia Administrator Boing! said Zebedee teams up with Wikipediocracy to threaten OberRanks

Post by boredbird » Sun Aug 28, 2022 11:44 pm

This is a great thread, Crow. Sorry we ignored it.

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Re: Wikipedia Administrator Boing! said Zebedee teams up with Wikipediocracy to threaten OberRanks

Post by Boing! said Zebedee » Mon Aug 29, 2022 6:14 am

OK folks, I've checked over the diffs now, and there really isn't much to it. The discussion can be read at this AN archive page...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... tion_again

If you check the history of that page, you can see that nobody has been editing it recently to hide anything from anyone here.

There was only one piece of information redacted, posted by Fut.Perf. at 07:25 UTC in that discussion. The current text reads "(Salix alba, that includes what your correspondent told you: if your contact's name has (Redacted))". Fut.Perf. had posted information about Oberranks' NARA email address... not enough to identify him, but definitely more than he should have posted. It was right to redact it, for sure.

Then comes some revision deletion, and you need to know how that works. To hide the content, every past revision of the page that contained it needs to be hidden (in this case by suppression, so even admins can't see it). So the process is... redact the content, then suppress every revision between the one that added it and the one that removed it. Suppression does not remove any current content from the page, it just hides old revisions of the page.

So you'll find a number of other revisions in between (like the one where I adjusted an indentation) where the before and after revisions have been suppressed. The content, though, has not been removed and is still in the latest revision.

Anyway, them's the facts folks, and you can see the evidence for yourselves - including the investigation into Oberranks' years of writing faked material with falsified sources. Do with it as you will.

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Re: Wikipedia Administrator Boing! said Zebedee teams up with Wikipediocracy to threaten OberRanks

Post by boredbird » Mon Aug 29, 2022 6:28 am

Boing! said Zebedee wrote:
Mon Aug 29, 2022 6:14 am
Suppression does not remove any current content from the page, it just hides old revisions of the page.
"Just."

Hey we're only suppressing history, deosn't really affect anyone now.

I've found a way around it and can see most deleted stuff but it sure took a long time to figure out how.

You should dox other Wikipedians here where it's not against the rules and won't be deleted.

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Re: Wikipedia Administrator Boing! said Zebedee teams up with Wikipediocracy to threaten OberRanks

Post by ericbarbour » Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:51 pm

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You should dox other Wikipedians here where it's not against the rules and won't be deleted.
Seconded. Don't let them cover up scandals.

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Re: Wikipedia Administrator Boing! said Zebedee teams up with Wikipediocracy to threaten OberRanks

Post by Boing! said Zebedee » Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:18 am

Hi Folks, I thought I was probably done here, but I'll offer a few more thoughts... for completeness, etc

Firstly, I really don't like Wikipedia's suppression mechanism. On the one hand it means that when people see a number of revisions suppressed, it's natural for them to suspect something juicy has been removed when it was only one small comment. On the other hand, that also means it is possible to hide large amounts of history while claiming that very little was removed. I'd prefer to see some sort of mechanism that retains the old revisions but obscures the redacted content in some way - then, observers would at least be able to see how much was redacted and by whom. And that would improve openness to some degree.

The lack of openness can lead to discussions like this one, where people can propagate false accusation based on being pointed to what they think is a smoking gun... in this case, a suppression that made it look like something I said might have been redacted, when it wasn't.

And that brings me to the danger that Oberranks and his friends/supporters/whoever are themselves exposing him to. I expect Jennsaurus innocently accepted claims by Oberranks, saw something that looked suspicious in the revision history, and came here to defend him.

This is the third site now, outside of Wikipedia, where Oberranks (or someone supporting him) has continued his false accusations. One was Wikipediocracy, and the other I will not name because it is in Oberranks' real name (and he since deleted most of the attacks he made there). And whenever these accusations are raised again, the actual evidence of what actually happened will come to light again. And it does not make Oberranks look good.

Here's the discussion that resulted in his ban from Wikipedia (yes, he was banned - he didn't just leave)...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... ed_sources

So please, Jennsaurus (and others who might be tempted to believe Oberranks' accusations), have a read of that. Look at how firm the ban is, observe the list of signatories, and follow the links to the damning evidence. It's quite clear that the ousting of Oberranks was not a vindictive effort on the part of me and one other person.

No, it was due 100% to the uncovering of his decade-long history of faking content, falsifying sources, copyright theft, and persistent lies. If you know him, go ask him about all of that, now that you have the evidence. (And you'll surely appreciate the irony in his chronic falsification of historical documents).

When you continue propagating his false accusations, Jennsaurus, especially on a site like this that encourages doxxing, you are simply increasing the possibility that someone will dox him. You will raise the likelihood of the one thing that he really doesn't want to happen happening.

Is that really what you want, Jennsaurus? If he, or his supporters, continue these unsupportable accusations, it's surely going to happen. Even if I won't dox him, I think it's very likely that someone else eventually will.

And I'm quite sure there are plenty of people who know who he is - he essentially had lots of self-identifying information on his user pages up until early 2021, getting it removed shortly before he launched the attacks from his employer's email account. It didn't take a great detective to work it out - even Dr Watson or Captain Hastings could have done it.

I'd pretty much forgotten about Oberranks after his accusations appeared to have stopped. Your repeating them again, here, has brought it all into the light again, and has led me to posting links to what actually happened so that everyone can see he's a chronic fantasist and liar. His downfall was his own doing.

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Re: Wikipedia Administrator Boing! said Zebedee teams up with Wikipediocracy to threaten OberRanks

Post by wexter » Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:49 pm

Jake Is A Sellout wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:39 pm
This was a real strange thread.

https://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewto ... =8&t=11916

As is sadly typical, there are a couple of utterly deranged nutjobs .... Boing! said Zebedee.

These people are clearly mentally unbalanced
I was just trying to parse the latest by Boing! said Zigbee, "Hi Folks, I thought I was probably done here, but I'll offer a few more thoughts... for completeness, etc," by looking at sources and this thread.

1) you really cannot "litigate" your Wikipedia kerfuffle on Wikipedia - because the site is set up for an endless kerfuffle.



2) try all you want, and from my point of view you are welcome to do so, you cannot "litigate" your Wikipedia kerfuffle on Wikipedia Sucks


--Not speaking for anyone else - but I think "we" care even less about deranged Wikipedia Kool-aid as it applies to you personally.
--The fact you are trying to "argue your points here" sort of proves out that you are "clearly mentally imbalanced."
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Re: Wikipedia Administrator Boing! said Zebedee teams up with Wikipediocracy to threaten OberRanks

Post by boredbird » Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:03 pm

wexter wrote:
Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:49 pm
The fact you are trying to "argue your points here" sort of proves out that you are "clearly mentally imbalanced."
Dunno, I read it.

Here is the list of evidence which got OberRanks banned. Mostly Nazi stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Futu ... /OberRanks
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Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:18 am
The lack of openness can lead to discussions like this one, where people can propagate false accusation based on being pointed to what they think is a smoking gun... in this case, a suppression that made it look like something I said might have been redacted, when it wasn't.
I'll take your word on it that all that was suppressed was a clue to OberRanks' email address at the National Archives Museum (NARA.).

Don't some "Wikimedians in Residence" work at NARA too?

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Re: Wikipedia Administrator Boing! said Zebedee teams up with Wikipediocracy to threaten OberRanks

Post by Jennsaurus » Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:42 pm

boredbird wrote:
Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:03 pm
wexter wrote:
Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:49 pm
The fact you are trying to "argue your points here" sort of proves out that you are "clearly mentally imbalanced."
Dunno, I read it.

Here is the list of evidence which got OberRanks banned. Mostly Nazi stuff.
According to the Wikipedia user named Kierzek, who is a long time editor of WWII articles, most of the Oberranks Nazi articles were mass deleted as part of a bigger effort from a user named K.e.coffman. Apparently she and Future Perfect at Sunrise entered into an unholy alliance to get rid of most every WWII and Nazi article Oberranks had ever written, true or not, using the justification that it was made up. Just to be clear Oberranks DID lie about his sources and make up facts, but it doesn't look like he made up completely false articles. That was case for a lot of the Nazi material, which was often deleted simply using the reason that Oberranks write it so therefore it must be false. K.e.coffman is apparently well known on Wikipedia for her doing these sorts of things and her anti-Nazi deletions have even led to a news article written about her.

https://www.wired.com/story/one-womans- ... bmNsbsCCvY

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Re: Wikipedia Administrator Boing! said Zebedee teams up with Wikipediocracy to threaten OberRanks

Post by wexter » Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:28 pm

Jennsaurus wrote:
Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:42 pm

Oberranks DID lie about his sources and make up facts, but it doesn't look like he made up completely false articles.
deleted simply using the reason that Oberranks write it so therefore it must be false.
K.e.coffman is apparently well known on Wikipedia for her doing these sorts of things
Ksenia Coffman has been mentioned here numerous times, for her efforts she even received a free Wikipedia T-shirt! from the Wikimedia Foundation.

https://www.wikipediasucks.co/forum/vie ... 13&p=22304

Wikipedia "litigation aside" - aka a personal (rugby type) scrum going on between combatants.

Fact is not subjective, it just is
Therefore a "slightly wrong article" is false.
False; AS almost all Wikipedia articles are materially false or incorrect.


Does Ksenia Coffman outrank the long defunct (and shunned) Oberranks when it comes to accurate articles about NAZI's? Did/does Coffman have more "street cred" when it comes to Wikipedia litigation? Beyond being appalled, and obsessive, what are her credentials for writing an encyclopedia? Is there any real difference between two diametrically obsessed people?

Sidetrack to Boing (Alan)

Add Boing (aka A.O.) to the list and we now have three obsessed people. But at least Al is taking a break from Wikipedia and aministration.. even though he arises from the ashes here (a year late) to defend himself from false accusations that he is a "rat." Yes, that is his repose.


Back to Coffman;
Coffman. She is “very appalled.” She sees that her confidence in Wikipedia was “very much misplaced.” All it takes to warp historical memory, she realizes, is something this small, achievable for almost anyone with a keyboard. “So few people can have so much impact, it’s a little scary,” she says. She begins to turn a more critical eye to what she sees on Wikipedia. Especially the footnotes.
Try as she might she is not going to fix Wikipedia; she is not going to be able to correct Wikipedia when it comes to Nazi'ism.
She is just a player in the game of "he said she said," "he is bad she is good," and all the other interpersonal fighting that goes on all to create articles which are somewhat wrong (and therefore are totally incorrect.}

It's much better to "hurl poo" at the (rugby-type) scrum than to be part of it. I think "Boing" was trying to get us involved in (or justify his) typical Wikipedia interpersonal infighting by disclaiming WP:RFEN (Wikipedia Rat-Fink-e-ness)
"mean if he's misusing his NARA email account to harass Wikipedia editors and spread lies about what happened here and about you. I know if I used a business/professional email account to pursue a personal vendetta I'd be in big trouble. [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 14:51, 1 April 2021 (UTC)" Thanks to Jennsaurus
We should look at the destruction of Oberranks NAZI obsessed fantasy world and Ksenia's Coffmans obsessed mission to anti-glorify Nazism on Wikipedia like "the Cheshire Cat in Alice and Wonderland"
everyone in Wonderland is mad and that it doesn’t much matter which path she follows if she doesn’t care where she’s going. The cat’s ability to vanish slowly by sections disconcerts Alice, who at one point finds herself in the presence of only the cat’s grin.
Everyone in Wikipedia is mad and it does not matter which path they follow.
The content and participants flicker in and flicker out.
We now know that the National Archives is an equal opportunity employer, with people hard at work editing NAZI entries on Wikipedia? We also now know that government email addresses will be suppressed even though child pornography is encouraged, institutionalized, and facilitated see Wiki-tan.


Interpersonal conflict is one of the core methodologies and foundation-points of Wikipedia.
It's all about the application and abuse of power within Wikipedia.
Wrong methodology and ethos; bad result.


So goes; the "Alan Oscroft affair" with "Rat-a-tui" Wikipedia's trained doxing-rat mascot scheduled to replace Wiki-tan in late 2024
and here;

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Alan, if you want to redeem yourself (and help lots of people) share your insights regarding Wikipedia.
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