How to "dox" Wikipedia insiders/fanatics

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Re: How to "dox" Wikipedia insiders/fanatics

Post by badmachine » Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:40 pm

ericbarbour wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:45 pm
You should also note that the "Advisory Board" disappeared "officially"(?) in 2017 after the WMF failed to renew the Advistory Board's operating license in 2015. All mention of the old Advisory Board then vanished from WMF websites, apart from the very old Meta pages.
the Foundation moved their wiki from the custom URL to foundation.wikimedia.org. the remains of that page is at foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Archive:Advisory_Board.

the page was marked 'historical' in 2017 and moved to "archive" namespace in 2021. no substantial additions were made after 2014, aside from Mako Hill updating his own bio.

it all looks very slippery. since Aug 12 2021, the Advisory Board page has been marked:
This page has been archived.
Its content is no longer being maintained and is likely out of date.
This page can be relocated to Meta-Wiki.
...presumably that means exported to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Advisory_Board, which already exists and is more useless than the Foundation wiki page.

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Re: How to "dox" Wikipedia insiders/fanatics

Post by notalawyerxyz » Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:47 pm

ericbarbour wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:32 pm
Thanks for posting this, it's good general information. Although I might add a couple of notes.
Currently a broken link--need to try it again later.
seems to work on my end
7a. If in the United states, film all you can about the attendees to these events from the public sidewalks or other non-restricted public land. film license plates, film name badges, etc, etc. If you can infiltrate these groups by a ticket, and pretend to be one of them, even better. hmm, are these events on youtube?
More than 10 years ago, a few unofficial WP meetup videos were posted to YouTube. Ususally short and not good quality anyway. Today all of them have vanished that I can see--replaced by "official Wikimedia video presentations", and snivelling propagandistic garbage posted by third parties. Like Wikipedia itself, YT contains useful and reliable information--good luck finding it.
Youtube hasn't improved itself sine google bought them out almost 20 years ago. And it seems they made the site worse to cater to cellphones and the nodejs craze. However, it is possible to still search for videos on a topic with a before and after attibutes. Even then because youtube coders can't code, it gets flooded by recent results, and the remedy seems to be adding a filter to sort by upload date.

example:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... ter%3A2007
8. Cellphone Geolocation data is sold, as we have learned through the movie 2000 miles. I have no idea of the cost.
It is usually quite expensive, AND you have the added charming benefit of buying information from hackers who may be selling you complete garbage. Scams are quite commonplace here. If you are compelled to try it, get the TOR Browser and figure out which "black sites" are being used to sell stolen databases. It changes constantly, because the operators of black sites are constantly being busted for illegal activity. They generally won't talk to a random like you unless you prove you're not a "fed".
The costs doesn't seem to be that bad, and there are "legitimate" data brokers. However in the example vice media uses, i am not sure how much information they provide or if the $160 fee was per clinic/week or for all 600 clinics/week. It sounds like the service package vice used did't provide their unique id's, but the new york times claims to found one that did.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7vzjb/ ... parenthood
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... -apps.html
9. I am not an attorney and I am not giving legal advice, and this one is bound to be expensive. But It might be possible to sue a particular admin in their individual capacity in a jon doe [defendant] lawsuit, for acts done in bad faith.
That will be expensive indeed, and the few cases have generally resulted in failure. The WMF and its minions will just scream "WRONG VENUE" or "SECTION 230" and get it quashed.
Yeah, its going to be expensive and certainly an attorney is needed to sort out the finer details of if it is possible. After getting the information on jon doe, if the intent is to dox, one can voluntarily dismiss the suit to avoid incurring additional legal expenses [always discuss this with an attorney]. The Objective is to dox, not to try to get blood out of a turnip; So the objective is to establish identity before a section 230 defense can be raised. Being able to do this without tipping off WMF would likely be crucial.

The emphasis of a suit [to have standing] would be to find some relief the court could grant, and pleading that the act(s) wasn't made in good faith [or as I said bad faith] (see 47 U.S. Code § 230(c) aka the good Samaritan provision. where the protection from liability requires good faith content moderation. See also Grace v. eBay , p11 for a history of this provision. https://law.justia.com/cases/california ... 8765a.html ) , and establishing jurisdiction. Exposing the admins to liability in their individual capacity could be more costly to WMF than undermining their section 230 defense. WMF would likely have to change their marketing, they would see admins leave in mass when they are already in a crisis of getting new admins, and they would have to spend some of that money they got from the Tides foundations to hire and train admins. I am not sure that it has been tested that anyone has sued the content moderators in big tech in their individual capacity for their bad faith censorship/bans. It may be because facebook, twitter, et al, actual hides them, instead of leaving them partially exposed.

I see nothing relevant for the search.
site:justia.com/cases "content moderator"

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Re: How to "dox" Wikipedia insiders/fanatics

Post by wexter » Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:15 pm

Jake Is A Sellout wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:38 pm wrote: a selfish pursuit where unemployable wankers distract themselves from the diminishing sands of time of their worthless lives, would be undoxxable by default.
To profile Wikipedians would be to expose "the recording and analysis of a person's psychological and behavioral characteristics, so as to assess or predict their capabilities in a certain sphere or to assist in identifying a particular subgroup of people."

I would tend to agree most of the "tools" that edit Wikipedia are distracting themselves from either worthless, mentally handicapped, agenda driven, propaganda riddled, or misguided lives.

Mental illness and autism seem to be the most prominent "behavioral characteristics" of hardcore Wikipedia editors/administrators. I have not been able to find a meaningful study or profile of Wikipedia's participants.

The WMF, and the history, is interesting - greed (or grift) is at play not mental illness

The Most interesting DOX on this post is Timothy Robert Shell who was the CEO of Bomis (porn site), which he co-founded. Shell is a shell of himself in Google search, there is very little to be found on the Internet about him.

And then the other connection to Bomis would be Michael E Davis (Chicago Options Associates) - the entry below is nonsensical in that it talks about the firm getting sued with the money finding its way elsewhere. But the article does talk about the early history of Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_O ... Associates
Davis hired Indiana University economics Ph.D. graduate student Jimmy Wales to analyze the company's pricing-model strategy;[6][8][9] Wales left his graduate program to join the company[2][7] as research director,[10][11][12] serving in that capacity from 1994 through 1998.[13][14][15] He was adept at determining future movements of foreign currencies and interest rates,[16][17] and Davis mentored Wales in more-aggressive financial trading.[7]

Davis joined Wales and Tim Shell in 1996 to form the Internet company, Bomis.[6][18][19] In 2003, when Wales decided to form a non-profit organization to manage the website Wikipedia, Davis, Shell and Wales formed the initial three-member Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees.[6]
The historic DOX is that the futures and options business did not work out so well, the online "porn site" and search engine did not make money, and a for-profit Wiki product was rapidly on the way to failure and got rescued by non-profit finance. The financial restructuring of Wikipedia "sounds" allot like the Chicago Options Associates lawsuit where a suit was won but the money went elsewhere and then became untouchable. The historic DOX describes Wikipedia as the "fruit of the poisonous tree."

With the integration with Google, and the business structure of WMF the "grift" is more complicated, more untouchable. and more systemically ubiquitous.

What does Doxing find? A religious nut making a hundred thousand entries about tits, a guy living in poverty in rural America bleating on his local radio channel, an autistic troll living in the attic, a libertarian looking to press his viewpoint, a person marketing himself, transgenders looking for confirmation... on and on... Perhaps 90% mental illness/autism and 10% other.

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Re: How to "dox" Wikipedia insiders/fanatics

Post by ericbarbour » Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:58 am

wexter wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:15 pm
The Most interesting DOX on this post is Timothy Robert Shell who was the CEO of Bomis (porn site), which he co-founded. Shell is a shell of himself in Google search, there is very little to be found on the Internet about him.
He was co-founder of Bomis partly because he and Wales are rabid Ayn Rand fans and had been friends for a long time. Wales ran the Usenet group about Objectivism in the early 1990s. That alone makes him "libertarian royalty". Tim Shell was one of the first major Wikipedia editors; but all he did was to copy various Objectivist rants from the semi-official Randite website to Wikipedia. So he "got the ball rolling" by committing a massive copyright abuse.

Wikipedia (and Bomis if you want to be picky) were born broken. I suspect Shell is "hiding out" because he doesn't want to be known as a Wikipedia copyright fraudster. He would rather let Jimbo take the fall for everything.

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Re: How to "dox" Wikipedia insiders/fanatics

Post by badmachine » Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:24 am

wexter wrote:
Jake Is A Sellout wrote:
Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:38 am
Mental illness and autism[/u][/b] seem to be the most prominent "behavioral characteristics" of hardcore Wikipedia editors/administrators. I have not been able to find a meaningful study or profile of Wikipedia's participants.
well look at the pool of participants in such a study. imagine a wikipedian giving details of their lives and its various horrors. a few of them are listed here, but these are only the ones with articles. the pedos, furries, and various other perverts arent as likely to expose their life to sunlight, compliant media or not.
The WMF, and the history, is interesting - greed (or grift) is at play not mental illness
thats the best part tho! the grift is to profit from the work of the mentally ill so it's a win for the WMF. now they can ditch the pesky community and move on to more globalist goals especially in the gLoBaL sOuTh.

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Re: How to "dox" Wikipedia insiders/fanatics

Post by Bbb23sucks » Tue May 16, 2023 12:58 pm

The WMF are using this page in their training courses: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiLea ... 7fb859e8f9

After looking at that page you might be confused to what it is. Let me explain: They have a course-based learning platform called wikilearn. They need a place to store the content of the courses. A normal person would a use database, but for whatever reason, some idiot at the WMF came up with the "brilliant" idea of using Meta-Wiki as a database updated by a bot. This doesn't even take place on wikimedia.org site. There is absolutely no reason to do it this way, but they do anyway. Probably still better than the majority of WMF developers because they actually built something that works, even if it doesn't work very well.
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Re: How to "dox" Wikipedia insiders/fanatics

Post by Ognistysztorm » Wed May 17, 2023 1:47 am

Bbb23sucks wrote:
Tue May 16, 2023 12:58 pm
The WMF are using this page in their training courses: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiLea ... 7fb859e8f9

After looking at that page you might be confused to what it is. Let me explain: They have a course-based learning platform called wikilearn. They need a place to store the content of the courses. A normal person would a use database, but for whatever reason, some idiot at the WMF came up with the "brilliant" idea of using Meta-Wiki as a database updated by a bot. This doesn't even take place on wikimedia.org site. There is absolutely no reason to do it this way, but they do anyway. Probably still better than the majority of WMF developers because they actually built something that works, even if it doesn't work very well.
Wouldn't it be possible to slip some hack codes in?

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Re: How to "dox" Wikipedia insiders/fanatics

Post by Bbb23sucks » Wed May 17, 2023 1:56 am

Ognistysztorm wrote:
Wed May 17, 2023 1:47 am
Bbb23sucks wrote:
Tue May 16, 2023 12:58 pm
The WMF are using this page in their training courses: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiLea ... 7fb859e8f9

After looking at that page you might be confused to what it is. Let me explain: They have a course-based learning platform called wikilearn. They need a place to store the content of the courses. A normal person would a use database, but for whatever reason, some idiot at the WMF came up with the "brilliant" idea of using Meta-Wiki as a database updated by a bot. This doesn't even take place on wikimedia.org site. There is absolutely no reason to do it this way, but they do anyway. Probably still better than the majority of WMF developers because they actually built something that works, even if it doesn't work very well.
Wouldn't it be possible to slip some hack codes in?
You are a genius. Go try it.

Edit: SOMEONE READING THIS FORUM DID!!! And it was about no other than Bbb23 and the Holocaust scandal. That IP is also eerily similar to mine.

Edit 2: That IP belongs to this website. None of the proxies there correspond to the one being used - however, if you try to use the IP as a proxy on port 443, it appears to work, unfortunately it asks for authentication.

Edit 3: There was more vandalism than I thought. This still has not been reverted. It might actually make it on to the website.

Edit 4: Just checked RC on Meta. There are hundreds of vandalism all from this person! They claim to be Anonymous: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php? ... d=24995880

I'll go find a proxy quick and join in on the fun.
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Stupid Wikipediots had to ruin the fun

Post by Bbb23sucks » Wed May 17, 2023 11:16 am

After a bunch of fun vandalizing and impersonating WMF employees (it even led to a staff meeting lol), they have now locked all the WikiLearn pages to admins-only. :(

On the bright side, that means that the vandalism that they did not clean up will be harder to remove. :lol:
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Re: How to "dox" Wikipedia insiders/fanatics

Post by wexter » Wed May 17, 2023 12:43 pm

Wiki-learn seems to be an obscure relic that wiki's can be used as hammers and to screw drivers. There are only about twenty courses including this classic gem or Vlasic pickle ;

Queering Wikipedia – gör internet lite mer jämlikt
https://learn.wiki/courses/course-v1:Wi ... 2023/about

some narrative framing;
When you have finished the course, you will be able to reflect on how work on Wikipedia can contribute to equality and sustainable development, understand how you can contribute with an LGBTQI perspective on Wikipedia and know how you can get involved in Project LGBTQI on Wikipedia.

This course is based on the course Queering Wikipedia - making the internet a little more equal, which was created at Digiteket by Victoria Lagerkvist and Malin Klintholm.
Once again, why does anyone take Wikimedia or Wikipedia seriously?
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