Wikipedia Sucks!

I don't even know where you even begin to unpack all the serious allegations hinted at in this post......

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... s_trolling

The symptoms seem to be obvious. Local governance of Englush Wikipedia has failed.

The Rambling Man was just as much of a problem Administrator as Fram. He is still around. No longer an Administrator, but clearly not feeling remotely disicentivised by the weak and ineffectual system of Wikipedia governance from being an all round shit.

It really is bizarre how often his name crops up somewhere in a series of accusations and counter accusations of trolling and harassment between users who allegedly know better.

He is the personification of what it means to have a problem with being unable to remove or otherwise control toxic editors.

TRM is a cancer. He is as real a threat to the good order of Wikipedia, as the death of his grandad that he used to get out of one attempt to reign him in, was imaginary.

He will say and do anything to remain on Wikipedia, be really hasn't got any pride or principles. But while he is on Wikipedia, he will act as little like a Wikipedia editor should act. Because they allow it.

ArbCom allow it. There are few issues with Wikipedia that actually stem from the top rather than the bottom. This is one of them.

By my count on just a quick look at this mess, that's both BHG and SQL claiming they're being seriously affected by Wikipedia, and Chris Sherlock is, well, y'know.

All because TRM is a shit stirring prick.

Wikipedia is supposed to be fun.

One of those sentences is incompatible with the other.

And if you were concerned for his welfare, don't bother......

As this will inevitably draw the anti-TRM hawks out of hiding, I'll just say that the kinds of things being expressed by BrownhairedGirl felt to me like just venting and while toxic, didn't bother me at all. I've been too busy lately just creating shit-tons of featured and good material, and keeping errors off the main page, to be bothered by that kind of stuff. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:59, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

You have to be a real Wikipedia cancer specialist to know what that is - it's TRM at his happiest. Toxic.

Let's all sit back and waIt to see if re-electing Beeblebrox back onto ArbCom, to reassert this bogus idea that Wikipedia is any good at self governance, was a good idea.

Let's start with examining, on current evidence and his apparent role in this sorry affair which is causing serious real world harm to multiple users, all probably for a reason that won't amount to anything more serious than TRM was unhappy about something minor once a long time ago and just didn't let it go, whether it isn't just time to ban TRM?

He is not and never will abide by any kind of restriction that aims to cut out the bad by preserving the good.

You should have binned him the VERY SECOND he showed he was the sort of evil basement dweller that holds grudges and thrives in conflict and seeing himself as the victim, not the cause. That was a long time ago.

Say it with me.......community.......

WE ARE HAPPY AND HEALTHY!!!!!!!!!

No parental supervision required eh?



You're insane is what you are.

You call self harm a hobby, and the pile of shite that oozes out the sides of your grotesque theatre of horrors, an encyclopedia.

Lol@

I an not willing to refactor my comments in relation to Piotrus unless their allegation that I invented historical fact (and their many followups in similar vein) are clearly withdrawn.To my mind, that sort of attempt to smear another editor's reasoned objections is many orders of magnitude more destructive than possibly rude words in response. Wikipedia may survive rudeness; but malicious allegations of historical falsification destroy the substance of what we here to do. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:31, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Are the community perhaps ever going to realise what a mistake it was to effectively downgrade civility to some sort of lesser pillar. Taking it so far as to promote a piece of shit like RexxS as an Administrator because apparently "oppose, temperament" somehow carries less weight than "support, I knows him".

Because this is the result. A seriously senior editor, someone who really should be looked up to as an example, is actually refusing to retract mere rudeness, until the far more serious misconduct is rectified.

A hostage situation.

In the real world, it's a principled stance. It would make sense. On Wikipedia, not so much, because nobody really knows or cares if BHG is a good historian, and in theory, it shouldn't matter if she is. But everyone can see and act accordingly, if they see a senior editor like that getting away with tossing around casual rudeness.

BHG used to be a really nice polite person, easy to work with. Wikipedia has really hardened her, made her really quite an angry person. Capable of digging in. And that's a problem, now they've all finally remembered, as fire rains down, that deescalation is a thing.

She's become a fighter. Probably why TRM tries to bait her (remember when people used to claim it was a blockable offence to bait a seasoned editor into rudeness - apparently not a privilege afforded to BHG).

That's what a toxic environment does to a nice person.

Its happened over several years, and I think it started when Drmies treated her like a second class Administrator (indeed, was he an actual Arbitrator at the time?), dismissing her vital work in categories. All because he was too pig shit thick to even understand why it was so vital, and all too wedded to protecting Eric Corbett and other's apparent inalienable right to be just casually rude, and worse, to even care to find out.

Revenge.