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I can attest to being somewhat startled by his commandments on mailing lists, and seem to recall calling him out on it at least once, I don't much appreciate being told how to do soemthing by the new guy when I've been at it for nine years.
He's talking about BU Rob on ArbCom.

I don't even need to write a joke, just point out the very next poster was Eric Corbett, finally at a loss with what to do with his spare time, and choosing that moment to stick a knife into Beebletits.


Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:59 pm
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Seriously, why are you even opening your yap hole?
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To me this was never about Fram's behavior, which is often horrible, but about the super secret backchannel where nobody knows what the rules are and they can just ban you for no reason even if there's no reason the whole situation can't be handled on-wiki.

There never was a need for privacy here, that's just CYA by T&S, I'm sure on the advice of legal. Hopefully in the future if they get such requests/reports tht don't actually involve sensitive material they will refer the reporter back down to community-based processes.

But arbcom is totally sending the wrong message here. They should vacate everything T&S did and invite the community to publicly submit evidence in a new case request if there is still any interest in that
1. That you can be secretly banned, and for no reason at all, is the legal basis of the Global Ban. Nobody knows how it works except the staff who need to know and their expensive lawyers. Nobody else.

2. The need for privacy is obvious. People have harassed the living shit out of those they merely suspect were responsible for the tragedy that is the loss of Fram.

3. Referring people back to the community where appropriate, is standard procedure. It is not standard procedure to do what they did in this case, and the reasons why they chose to do it have been explained at length. In short, the Foundation was satisfied the community didn't have any intention of addressing the behaviour of Fram.

4. Since you seem to accept that Fram's behaviour is "often horrible", what, pray tell, if anything, did you do about it? Don't answer, because it's pretty obvious whatever you did, if anything, was ineffective. Is the whole fucking point.

5. Ha ha ha. A public case about Fram, yeah? People will submit evidence, yeah? Fuck off. The community submitted even less to ArbCom under the protection of confidentiality than was provided to the evil external power. Why? Because every fucker knows the price of putting your name out there, and the fact it would be for nothing, because "often horrible" is considered acceptable by you pieces of shit.
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That would be the ethical and smart approach, so I suspect they will try everything else.
You're an idiot. Look at you, sucking up to one of the biggest DOESN'T KNOW SHIT wastes of space Administrators on Wikipedia.

You're a critic? Fuck off.


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1. That you can be secretly banned, and for no reason at all, is the legal basis of the Global Ban. Nobody knows how it works except the staff who need to know and their expensive lawyers. Nobody else.

This is very important, and when someone/you are banned it very, very wrong to enter the WMF infrastructure anymore. Because WMF simple has the right to forbid you to do so. It is simple a legal offence what for instance Kum is doing. Because there is a legal basis of the Global Ban.


A Global Lock is something different, and who has read the rules careful understand it is simple allowed to create a new, constructive account. Vinvught and Trijnstel simple broke the rules by asking on Meta for a block and to block The Postman Always Rings Twice.

But a SanfanBan is a simple stay away. Something I all the time did despite De Wikischim his begging to create a new sock.

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One of the things nobody tells you is that during January the banned users come out fo the woodwork thinking maybe they'll find sympathetic voices on the new committee. You get bombarded with emails from a lot of the "worst of the worst." We didn't have the SanFran Ban back then, it came to be during my term. It does have a purpose.
Yes, it is quite clear the Wikipedia volunteers seeking to be the site's highest dispute resolve chamber want no part of dealing with the really bad people.

If they got locked in a dungeon after a secret trial with no possibility of appeal, it's all good. Just cite National Security, or some shit that makes people just accept absolute state power.

But what does someone do it they think Fram's behaviour made him a really bad person?

They suck it up, obviously.

Wikipedia isn't run for them.


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The reality is the culture has been established so that people don't usually care about people being banned or indeffed....until it's them. A lot of people get banned for bad reasons, yet no one does anything about it.


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The reality is the culture has been established so that people don't usually care about people being banned or indeffed....until it's them. A lot of people get banned for bad reasons, yet no one does anything about it.

Well, I'm doing something about it, Lomax v. WMF, and how much support has there been for it? Some, yes, but not much. Indeed, people don't care, it's a very old story, until the jackboots come for them. Just the way it is.

I pointed out years ago, before 2011, how, if we cared, we could reform Wikipedia. It required people to connect and communicate, cooperate and coordinate. How many people joined? I think the number was less than two, including me. My sense of the minimum number to be effective: two could be a start, three would take it further, and more than that, well managed, could be unstoppable.

I wrote then, "lift a finger, save the world. But most people won't lift a finger." And why not? If something is essentially cost free for the first steps, what keeps people from taking that first step?

My answer then was despair. Most people do not believe that transformation is possible, so they avoid the possibility entirely, not wanting to be disappointed when it inevitably fails.

And that concept has been passed on for generation after generation.


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Glad you guy''s are here because I have a problem.


I am really wonder how Eric has fixed this. Any has also a system. Do you guys have tips?

https://www.wikipediasucks.co/forum/vie ... =828#p6425

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O by the way Abd, during the time Eric consider the bans as he have told me today I have taken the decision to change the place in a toy train forum.
That's safe, gender friendly and share all our interests. Or don't you like toy trains, Abd?
So will you and the others be so kind not to post about WMF and Wikipedia anymore? Because that makes this place so unsafe.

Thank you, your always safe and reliable Fuckung Fake Side Admin. :mrgreen:

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Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:00 am
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The reality is the culture has been established so that people don't usually care about people being banned or indeffed....until it's them. A lot of people get banned for bad reasons, yet no one does anything about it.
Cool. But who asked you?

Explain how this post related to the one before it? Or to Beebletits?

Let me guess, you're one of the people who got banned for bad reasons, and nobody cares? And Beeblebrox is one of the people you blame?

Amazing how that turned out, right? Yet another opportunity to bore the shit out of people with your sad story. See if you can resist the temptation to reply and tell everyone more. It kills you, doesn't it?

On a running theme though, you and the lies......they did care though, didn't they? You got your second chance, and you blew it.


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The reality is the culture has been established so that people don't usually care about people being banned or indeffed....until it's them. A lot of people get banned for bad reasons, yet no one does anything about it.

Well, I'm doing something about it, Lomax v. WMF, and how much support has there been for it? Some, yes, but not much. Indeed, people don't care, it's a very old story, until the jackboots come for them. Just the way it is.

I pointed out years ago, before 2011, how, if we cared, we could reform Wikipedia. It required people to connect and communicate, cooperate and coordinate. How many people joined? I think the number was less than two, including me. My sense of the minimum number to be effective: two could be a start, three would take it further, and more than that, well managed, could be unstoppable.

I wrote then, "lift a finger, save the world. But most people won't lift a finger." And why not? If something is essentially cost free for the first steps, what keeps people from taking that first step?

My answer then was despair. Most people do not believe that transformation is possible, so they avoid the possibility entirely, not wanting to be disappointed when it inevitably fails.

And that concept has been passed on for generation after generation.

What needs to happen is A LOT more people suing them. Copyright lawsuits; libel; federal cases for proliferation of child pornography; proliferation of classified government documents (the wikileaks documents are mostly still classified, although widely distributed now).

People need to start going after them, if they start burning through their cash, then maybe they'll change or they'll go bankrupt.


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