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Born2Cycle

Post by CrowsNest » Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:42 am

Here's a classic victim of the Wikipedia hate factory. This guy is super focused on article titles, and as a result, he's damn good at it. As he has explained himself using numerous examples, because he is good at what he does, the title disputes he takes on inevitably end up going his way, in spite of the presence of numerous vociferous objectors. It can take several go arounds, but he gets the right result in the end. He is tenacious in arguing his position.

This of course angers everybody else on Wikipedia, except the tiny minority smart enough to take the time to read what he is saying and agree with because it makes total logical sense. The majority of Wikipedians are self-absorbed retards, who either can't understand his arguments, or can't be bothered to read them. And of course there's all those who are angry because they simply don't agree with him, and want to shut him down using any trick in the book.

All this adds up to a guy whose passion for correct titles on Wikipedia, has been used by his enemies to paint him as a problem editor. He's been put through the ordeal of an Arb case for his sins, and because of that, the Wikipediots are now going for the jugular, pissed as they are at his ability to precisely dissect the utter travesty that was the recent closure of a move request at Sarah Jane Brown.

He will soon be topic banned from title disputes, and the Wikipedians care so little about such an obvious case of a miscarriage of justice, they're happy to see Sandstein call him mental......
Somebody who is apparently here only to quibble (at excruciating length) about article naming really, really needs to find another hobby. Or professional help. I support a topic ban about anything related to article titles. Sandstein 22:14, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Ultimately, shit like this goes down like this because Wikipedians are anti-expert - they hate people who are right in policy and don't care what the ignorant mob thinks, especially if they are verbose and repetitive. The vast majority of Wikipedians would rather have ten editors who are so dumb they'd happily go along with any old shit, even if it's shit being fed to them by a bad actor trying to actually subvert policy, than one editor who isn't afraid to stand up for what is right.

Editors like this guy expose the sham of their consensus model, revealing for all to see that it is rarely an exercise in getting the right result through policy backed reasoned argument (unless you go at it enough times) and more about simply divining what the ignorant mob wants, and/or the outcome that results in the least drama. Ironically, because this guy is so often right in policy, him getting his way in a move request inevitably puts a long running source of drama to rest. As he has of course explained to his peers, but they just don't want to know.

Ultimately, people like this guy wouldn't have to be so verbose and so tenacious, if the rest of the community, through their own intelligence and dedication to policy based reasoning, just got it right the first time. But it is precisely because Wikipedia doesn't reward people who do things the right way, that they have so few editors like that. And there will be fewer still if they keep expelling them in this fashion.

They're crucifying him for not wanting to be receptive to or compromise with people who are total idiots or worse. They're banning him for not accepting he is wrong, even though no sane person would look at his reasoning and conclude he was wrong.

In terms of how to govern themselves, Wikipedians have it all backwards, and it really does show in the quality of their end product. If you can't even get the title of an article right, why would anyone trust the contents to be accurate, comprehensive or neutral?

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Re: Born2Cycle

Post by CrowsNest » Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:40 am

As predicted, he has been indefinitely blocked by Dennis Brown....

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FEnforcement&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=829347973&oldid=829332569

Dennis Brown was the obvious pick to make this block - policy has never meant much to that guy. He is the personification of the arrogant buffoon class of Wikipedian.

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Re: Born2Cycle

Post by CrowsNest » Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:44 am

Looks like Dicklyon will be the next victim of this kind of anti-expert hatemob.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Manc ... sed_rename

He's making a solid, policy backed case for his title change, and is getting nothing but personalised abuse and deliberate deafness (a.k.a WP:INCIVIL behaviour) in response. Dennis Brown has always supported the assholes lining up to oppose Dicklyon there, so you can see it coming.

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Re: Born2Cycle

Post by CrowsNest » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:57 pm

Rather disgustingly, the Wikipedians are having a post-block conflab on B2C's own talk page, discussing what he must do to be unblocked, even though he has yet to even comment.

Their arrogance is astounding. Some want him to divorce himself from article titling, as they repeat their ignorant view that correct titling is somehow not a major issue. I repeat, if you can't get a title right, what can you get right?

Here's a classic example.....
Any return to editing must accommodate the fact that living with what might be an imperfect title is better for the health of the community than a never-ending war of attrition. Johnuniq (talk) 21:51, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
What a fucking moron. How thick do you have to be to see that the healthy approach here is stop whatever it is that is preventing the perfect title being adopted. It most certainly isn't Born2Cycle, it is policy vacuous assholes like Guy Chapman and Slim Virgin. Her argument for supporting "Sarah Jane Brown" was literally that it was her actual name and she hasn't personally contacted Wikipedia to complain in five years. She can hold that view and offer it up in an RM, but the cowardly Wikipedia administrators who ignore the fact it has ZERO grounding in policy, they are the ones who are making the community sick. Her comment is absurd, nothing but a personal opinion of dubious origin (most likely gender politics), and it will still be absurd in two years time. Guy's argument was even more ridiculous, it wasn't even an argument, just a series of ignorant rants against parenthetical disambiguation (a perfectly standard and accepted form of title). You have to be an utter retard not to see that - but it is undeniable that Wikipedia is full of retards.

Some want to muzzle him, put a restriction on how many times he can comment, and where. He would be an idiot to accept such a condition, since it merely formalises the fucked up situation where Wikipediots get away with ignoring him, talking utter shit, and then pretending like their view cancels out his, and thus his move proposals must fail, for lack of consensus. Wikipedia isn't meant to work that way. If it weren't for idiots like TonyBallioni being admins, then yes, it might be the case that a single comment from B2C should be enough to see a title change happen when nobody else provides a policy compliant argument against it. But it isn't.

Unsurprisingly, TonyBallioni wants Born2Cycle banned from all policy pages. He wants that because Born2Cycle was able to identify such huge problems with his close of the Sarah Jane Brown move and his pathetic attempts to explain his reasoning afterwards, he was able to pose significant questions on not one but two major policies.

* Wikipedia:Requested moves - are requests closed based on CONSENSUS (weighting policy backed arguments) or "consensus" (vote counting)
* Wikipedia:Disambiguation - what qualities as proof someone is "commonly called" something?

Unsurprisingly, Tony calls that forum shopping, proof that Born2Cycle is disruptive/tendentious. Of course he does. He doesn't have the guts to admit these are perfectly valid questions raised by his poor quality admining. By any objective measure, the Sarah Jane Brown closure did not properly weigh the arguments with reference to policy, it was a mere vote count, and by any objective measure, Sarah Brown is not commonly called "Sarah Jane Brown". Tony can only escape these issues, by ensuring Born2Cycle is never again allowed to raise them. Since they lack any kind of integrity, this is how Wikipedia administrators usually operate - if they fuck up, they invariably cast their critic as disruptive/tendentious/deaf, and hope they have enough social capital to see them ejected from the island.

If he has anything about him, he will recognise this for what it is, and take the hard but necessary decision that the game is so rigged, it really isn't worth him negotiating any kind of unblock. He's done good work in the field of titles, and these pricks refuse to even acknowledge it. So his attitude should really be, fuck you, you ungrateful pieces of shit. Let them rot in their bucket of slop.

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Re: Born2Cycle

Post by CrowsNest » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:58 pm

Happily, it looks like B2C has seen the light and walked away - he's been radio silent for almost five days. Good for him.

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Re: Born2Cycle

Post by ericbarbour » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:05 pm

CrowsNest wrote:
Any return to editing must accommodate the fact that living with what might be an imperfect title is better for the health of the community than a never-ending war of attrition. Johnuniq (talk) 21:51, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
What a fucking moron. How thick do you have to be to see that the healthy approach here is stop whatever it is that is preventing the perfect title being adopted. It most certainly isn't Born2Cycle, it is policy vacuous assholes like Guy Chapman and Slim Virgin. Her argument for supporting "Sarah Jane Brown" was literally that it was her actual name and she hasn't personally contacted Wikipedia to complain in five years. She can hold that view and offer it up in an RM, but the cowardly Wikipedia administrators who ignore the fact it has ZERO grounding in policy, they are the ones who are making the community sick. Her comment is absurd, nothing but a personal opinion of dubious origin (most likely gender politics), and it will still be absurd in two years time. Guy's argument was even more ridiculous, it wasn't even an argument, just a series of ignorant rants against parenthetical disambiguation (a perfectly standard and accepted form of title). You have to be an utter retard not to see that - but it is undeniable that Wikipedia is full of retards.

Yep and this is one of many thousands of examples. It's not even possible to figure out how many content makers were chucked out because they didn't kiss up to admins. Some of the arguments and putdowns were later rev-deleted or oversighted.

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Re: Born2Cycle

Post by CrowsNest » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:01 pm

Embarassing......

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =832703258

This is what makes me laugh about Wikipediocracy - both 28Bytes and wbm1080 are members there, but do you think Uncle Zoloft or even Captain Safe Space Jake would ever let me ask them why 28Bytes did nothing about this apparent violation by a fellow admin of his edict that there be no further grave dancing?

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Re: Born2Cycle

Post by CrowsNest » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:14 pm

He cracked. Sad. :(

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