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Because I have noticed many people of other continents don't have even a clou about Europe I have created this topic about the European elections.

The first misunderstanding is, we don't vote for European party's, we vote for our local party's. in fact there are local elections for the European parlement and the local party's are most time connect with the European Party's. For instance our D66 and VVD are connected to the same European party, the ALDE. And in this way are the national parliaments very close connected to the Euro parlement, the only democratic organ in the EU.

In this elections we know already the outcome, the EV, christian democrats, the party of Juncker will be the biggest party and will form a coalition with the social democrats and the Greens . Because for the first time in the history they need a third coalition party. And Frans Timmermans has the best cards to become the new chairman of the European Commission, but the EP choose this chairman after the elections. Because they prefer a chairman of a small country and he is already the second man in charge and he is beloved.

Because the influence of the Europarlement is very limited these elections are extreem impopulair by the European population and there is hardly any champagne. Every election the number of voters is dropping, and most people vote the same party they did with the national elections and have not even a clou to what Europeanparty they choose is connected. So in practice these elections change nothing.

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There is really very little about this elections in the newspapers because the European population is not interested in Europe. There is no love, there is no European feeling, we are Dutch, English, German, Italian but not a Europeans. After so many centuries of European wars our nationalism is so strong, we don't trust the other to much. We are always on our guard, it's in our genen.

And that is the reason European politics are kept as far as posible out of our field. We get national elections now, That is very important to know. So the people will vote for there national party's, not for European party's. But these elections have no influence on our local parliaments. And the proces after this elections is interesting and I found a article about it. It is In Dutch, sorry.
The main points:

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To have any influence in the Euro Parlement you need at least 25 MEP's out of seven member states in your European party. Otherwise you have no benefits, you are on the sidelines.

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wie niet in een samenwerkingsverband van minstens 25 Europarlementariërs uit zeven lidstaten zit, staat in het parlement aan de zijlijn. Dat betekent minder spreektijd in debatten, minder geld en geen belangrijke posities in commissies.

So, you have to form a fraction with other party's to get that 25 MEP otherwise you are at the sideline. You are in second postion.

For the big party's it is not any problem to get that 25 MEP's out of seven member states. But, they want as much seats as they can so they try to get as much MEP's as they can to be bound to them.
In short, the European party's are formed after the elections in backrooms, and everybody want to be connected to a party with 25 MEP's or more. Numbers make you powerful. Otherwise you are nothing. The numbers make you powerful with a minimum of 25.

And in this way the most weird party' combinations are represented in that European party's. Party's with a complete different political colour on a national level can be a part of the same European party. Because of that 25 seats or better more. To gain power. And if you are attach to that party you are not free to vote as you should like, you have to follow most times the line of your party. A party what is connected to the party's on a national level.

You see, Byzantium at it's best. Because in practice a few important politicians like Frans Timmermans, Alex Voss, Guy Verhofstadt, Junker if he is sober, Donald Tusk, etc. determine what is going to happend, and MEP's make there objections what are most times are the objections of there national parliaments.

And this is the reason there is not any motivation for the European population to vote, in Slovenia last elections 13% of the population had voted, in Holland 37,3%. And most of times only because they could support there national party in a symbolic way. Because in practise these elections hardly change anything.

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All right, the first "European" election debate between Rutte, the Prime Minister of the Netherlands and Thierry Baudet, the front man of the "Common people" party FvD, the biggest party after the last elections.

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Volgens Rutte heeft Baudet ‘rare verzinselen’, zoals dat een nexit goed zou zijn voor Nederland.


According to Baudet a "nexit" would be good for Holland.

What is the problem? The Euro and the EU has in the opinion of many European voters caused many problems. They don't see the benefits, what are indeed not impressive, and they see only the prices rising and there income dropping. And that is the item in this elections. Baudet, and many other right wing populair party's in other country's blame the "old' politic they want only to spend a lot of money to expensive project as green electric cars and alternative heating, but they forget to compensate the damage the flopped euro project has caused. Because someone has to pay that open bill. And now special the North European population is paying that bill trough all kind of typical European backdoors.

So that population is getting more and more mad at special the European politics, who they blame for the constant rising cost of living. So maybe now you understand really no one was interested here in Europe in a few idiots with a pirate flags and the nitwit Julia Reda, WMF political star number one. And that the streets of Europe where not filled up with people crying for "liberated" gender neutral free source content, but for ending the constant rising of costs. The yellow vests movement.
Because the people here have better thinks to worry about. And the politicians too, there first worry is how to avoid the complete collaps of the EU. Because if Wilders and Baudet get what they want is the next country to leave Holland a fact. And is a important donor of the Europe project and there it is all about. A falling domino stone effect after the Brexit is absolute not to exclude, or better very likely.

And because of this is this debat about Dutch politics and not about European. Because if the right wing party of Rutte is forced by it's voters to follow the line Baudet-Wilders it is the end of the Dutch membership of Holland of the EU. Because the VVD is the second large party of Holland.

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This is really nice. And typical Europe. A academic who is explaining what the European elections are and what the important items are this time. Well, he is telling about the same I have explained to you before, but don't hesitate to ask questions. Doesn't matter if it is on WO, and maybe it is nice to open there a topic about this elections because Poet is very well informed too.
I think it is good to inform our readers after so much WMF shitstorms and Reda and Pirate utter Fucking Bullshit about Europe. It is in Dutch, but still it is very informative for our English readers because of the visual explaining.

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Ah, Rutte has accepted the glove. This will be a real pro and contra Nexit debate!! And be aware, Baudet is a laywer and a extreem clever guy! And Mark Rutte? He has now a lot of books to study Baudet gave him, write by him and will have a really hard time. Because the Nexit sentiment under te surface is strong in Holland, very strong. It is emotion, back to the good old times. Back to the Florin, borders close, Holland must keep it's identity.

The leaders want a other Holland the "common" people want, that's the problem. Let me put it in this way. If the Brexit has a more or less happy end and the economy of England doesn't collaps that will be the end of the EU in the form as it is. I think there will be a kind of cooperation left but not in this federal form. Rutte's party will be forced in the Nexit and anti EU direction I suspect because if they don't they will lose a dramatic amount of voters.

No time for toddlers with pirate flags and Twitter wiki shitstorms and gender bullshit anymore folks!


https://twitter.com/thierrybaudet/statu ... 0432552960

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Junker declares Rutte is not my successor

And Mark Rutte is in Berlin to talk about distribution of the highest positions and to meet the most plausible successor of Merkel, Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer

Europe at it's best! There have not even been elections and the chairs are already put in the right positions and cousin Mark is invited.

Take your pirate flags! Kick everyone out who is saying you are a bunch of money spoiling complete lunatics and storm the European parlement and shout on all you Twitter channels:
Call you MEP! Call now! Julia Reda, political talent of the year! Dimi! Dimi, our man in Brussels and our political scientist! Vote Vigilant for the new chairman of the Euro Parliament!
Hip, hip, hurrah! And all the pirate flags are waving! Free bicycles and social justice for whole Africa!

Fuck off, bunch of lunatics and you too Vigilant and fuck yourself, complete idiot.

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Bizar! Five Dutch seats for the Social democrats because we all want Frans Timmermans as successor of Junker. Complete unexpected. 41%, the highest percent in 30 years has voted. First we won the European song contest, and now Frans for chairman of the Europarlement. What chauvinists, the Dutch. No, we are absolute no nationalists but devoted Europeans.

It seems to me after all kind of political adventures with Pim Fortuin, Geert Wilder and Thierry Baudet the Dutch population want back to the three established political main streams. Social democrats, Liberals and Christen Cemocrats.
And Julia, Dimi and Romaine=>Wikimedia his Pirate Party? Well, I think the pirate flags can stay in the basement because I can't even find them in the exit polls back. Have a look yourself. (Dutch)


https://nos.nl/artikel/2286019-exitpoll ... -jaar.html

If I find the number of pirate voters who filled all the streets of Europe crying for free source content after the counting of all votes I will share it with you. Must be millions, because fife million people had signs for free content.

Maybe Crow or Dysk can tell us some more about the English situation now madam May after, I have say a brave but lost fight has throw in the towel in the ring. Because for us continental Europeans is the situation extreme confused now.

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The pirate party got at the end 4 seats of the 751 seats, and they connect themself to the green fraction. This is far to little to have any political influence.
It was a better than i expected result, congrats guy's, but it is clear nothing will change in the copyright regulation anymore in Europe because it is no political item at the moment.
There are other much more important items now in European politics.

https://twitter.com/Senficon/status/1132827431432269824

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This is very weird. As I explained before the European elections are national elections for the European parlement.

One in the pirate MEP's is from Germany, Patrick Breyer. And Germany has 96 MEP in the EP. But the other three are all from the Czech Republic, what has 21 MEP's. And from the other country's there are no pirate MEP's what was to expect.
But why should the pirate party be so populair in the Czech Republic? The Czech Republic is for years now a political chaos and a banana republic, but most formal communistic East European country's are a political chaos too.
Germany is to be expended with one MEP, the pirates are very active there. But why are they so populair in the Czech Republic? Weird.

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Our brave pirates are now embedded in the Greens, the green European party, a party what is focused on carbon emission and climate. Carbon emission and climate issues are important in this periode and that is where the Greens are focused on.

https://twitter.com/GreensEP/status/1135911169036709892

First all the big party's are gathering all these "lost souls" party's and imbed them to gain power, because you need at least 25 MEP's to have benefits and to be a serious party. When this process of forming the European party's out of the national candidates the christen democrats and socialists have now to look for a third partner because they have no majority anymore.
And at the end they choose there new chairman.

It must be clear because of all these different party's in one European party these European party's are pretty powerless and because of that most times relay on the national parliaments. This has a reason, I said it before, it is because the national parliaments special from the rich northern industry country's want to keep there power. They want to share as little as posible power and keep as much power as they can.

Here is a link in Dutch about this subject.
https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2019/05/27/ze ... n-a3961750

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