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The history, I have seen the complete rise and fall of WMBE from close by.

The tricky European copyright laws makes running a Wikipedia system with a CC licence in Europe in a legal way impossible.
I wrote this topic about it om aggies board about the Dutch copyright regulation:

http://wikirev.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1913

And here a example of case law:

http://wikirev.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1948

700 euro for a stupide picture. But it can much more expensive. And there is case law of the German judge Wikipedia is under German/European jurisdiction, they even have a server in the EU, in Haarlen NL, and WMF is responsible. There is no section 230.

So, there had to be a solution. And although copyright regulation is a national affair special Romaine got the idea to ground a Belgium chapter, what they did on 8 oktober 2014.
Here you can read the whole history. (Dutch) Before was Romaine in a very dominant way pushing the idea they had to be close to the Europalement in the Dutch Village pump, De Kroeg. Spamming had be a better term. All the times Romaine was there with a picture of the Atomium what was made black.
What was total nonsense because I wrote a article on wikisage with a picture in that time, but it had to be CC licensed. And they where lucky because in that time the Belgium government changed to panoramright, what had nothing to do with WMBE.

My article:
http://nl.wikisage.org/wiki/Atomium

But march is the limned and so the idea accurred to start a anti-copyright party and the insane plan to conquer the Europarlement. Without any, any political support.
And there the Pirate Party approch came from with Jullia Reda and the not existing marches in the European towns.
I don't know if that party existed already or they have grounded it, but anyway wikipedia adopted The Pirate Party as there saving and Romaine, Dimi and a few others with there Brussels Advocating Group became a kind of Wiki heros. There came blog posts about them, the twitter of Jimmy, Doc James and Katherine was only about them, for sure you remember.

What went of course total wrong as to be expected. And in around 2015, just before I was SanFanBanned WP/WM-NL was taken over by gender bic.....lady's and a symbiosis arose because every normal thinking person had left. It was in the time of the porn gender articles what made Sandra so proud, articles like this. The Pirates and the Gender ok, Lady's started to support each other, with the help of DrNatuur12.

And of course Vig can insist I am the fool here with a mental defect but that is of course bullshit.
WMF has spend there money on a bunch of total lunatics and Romaine is one of them. And for the rest they can put that complete SanFanBan of me on a place where it belong, in the ass of Jimmy, Jan, Alexander and the rest of the lunatics with there crazy trollopedia. They don't have to fear I want ever, ever to return to there digital mental clinic.

I have only have tried to warn and to explane what was going on, and for both Lomax and me it is from now on over and see you in court.

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Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:33 pm
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The Adversary wrote:
While I have no idea as to where this Belgian chap is on the spectrum, recall that the WMF once took a guy with Asperger's Syndrome, Ironholds (T-C-L) and made him (that is Okeyes (WMF) (T-C-L)) "Community Liaison". (Discussed eg here)

You couldn't make this stuff up.

Also, the French Lady clearly states that she didn't say anything , "but I was visibly distressed".
And to me, that simply isn't good enough.
Ok, story time: In one of my first jobs (back when I was in my 20s) I was in an all male group of some 20 to 30 men. I was the first and only women to work there.
From day one, one of the guys greeted me with "Hi, sexy!" each time he saw me. It made me absolutely boil with rage inside. (It was a techie job, I got it because of my science background at Uni.) If I had the choice, I would stand up, "visibly distressed" I'm sure, and walk out of the room, slamming the door behind me each time he did that.
He didn't take the "hint".
After a week of this I, eh, "manned myself up" and told him in very clear language to stop.
I will never forget his face, or stunned reply:
"You don't like it?????"
Me: NO!!!!!!

He was really genuinely surprised/shocked (either that, or he was the best actor I have ever met :dry: )

Midsize Jake: I have had to deal with my share of people who ignore what you tell them ("Oh no, you don't mean that!"), but if you haven't told people straight, not even once, then you don't have much to complain about, IMO.

Especially as a female: you have to set your borders.
Nobody else can set them for you.


Yakeee! OK, for me story time too. On WP-Nl was never, and when I say never ANY sexual harresment in all these years, and what I have understand is Romaine gay, and has a relation with a man.
I put my hand, Romaine has never, never someone sexually harassed, now one on wikipedia-NL ever has a woman harassed, this is in a bitchy way trying to smear Romaine in a extreem dirty way!
No one of the guys in the spectrum on WP NL was ever ungracious to woman and others also not!
What as shit canon, this "lady"

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Let me use this topic and I have changed to Wikimedia-NL/BE

A reminder, the history of WM-NL, with the spin-off WM-BE in 2014. (Dutch)

https://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewto ... &start=700


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mendaliv wrote:
I don’t know why. Mr. Eissfeldt has been very clear that neither you nor anybody outside of T&S knows either. That’s why this is so dangerous. We need to know where the axe will fall.

Guido den Broeder wrote:
You don't want to know. The axe will fall where I said it will fall a decade ago, and you didn't want to know it then either.

mendaliv wrote:
I should clarify, by "the axe," I'm referring to a metaphor from an Oliver Wendell Holmes (T-H-L) speech, "The Path of the Law". Being able to tell where "the axe" falls is being able to tell what exactly the response to particular behavior will be and being able to conform your behavior to that expectation. Put differently, there's a reliance or expectation that particular behavior will lead to sanctions, and particular behavior will not lead to sanctions, and people have conformed their conduct to that particular arrangement.

Consider the recent jurisprudence regarding stare decisis (T-H-L) in the United States. Everyone is suddenly freaked out about it because changing attitudes on the bench (really an apparent reversal between conservatives and liberals) leads to the possibility that Roe v. Wade might not survive a differing interpretation of the 14th Amendment because it won't be as protected by stare decisis. I won't delve into which understanding is correct (i.e., whether stare decisis should even apply to constitutional law cases as opposed to statutory interpretation cases) because it's not pertinent to this discussion. For our purposes, it's enough to know that people rely on longstanding action/inaction/interpretation of particular rules, and that it can be unfair to suddenly pull the rug out from under them.

Of course, where action is doing real, measurable harm, it can be reasonable to realign policy and announce new enforcement efforts that does rather suddenly prohibit previously permissible conduct. Using foul language in arguments, for example. But generally speaking, you must give the community proper notice of the new rule, and you generally do not retroactively apply the new rule. We have no notice of the new rule, at least no meaningful notice. We have vague waves to concepts of "trust" and "safety" which have little meaning to a great many of us. Even me, who has been harassed related to on-wiki actions before.


About that using foul language in arguments, where should someone use it? Well, let me give a example and I have noting to do with the Guido- Oscar van Dillen -Elly waterman fight, because I came in in 2009.

Imagine there is a liberty and you want to look something up. And it is one big chaos of fighting people who are not there for the liberty but only to end up a never ending fight. One pulls the coffee machine out of the wall, the other pulls out all the books out of the bookcase, they other is scratching all books, and there is a librarian MoiraMoira and arbitration committee who is telling all the time you are wrong and sabotaging and everybody is telling you you are the troll.
Fine, you decide to ignore them.
Till. Till you decide to write a complet innocent article about a Greek Taverna because you need it to make a red link bleu in a outer article you wrote. And look what happend.


vorige 17 feb 2012 17:07‎ Sir Statler overleg bijdragen‎ 2.234 bytes -30‎ Misschien wil nu niet iedereen zich hier tegenaan gaan bemoeien; je vertaald zomaar een Grieks gerecht waar ik notabene een artikel over aan het schrijven ben en verwijst naar een plant! ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 17 feb 2012 16:15‎ Sir Statler overleg bijdragen‎ 2.264 bytes +15‎ Kokoretsi toegevoegd. En binnenkort trap ik jullie allemaal uit MIJN taverna. ;) ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 17 feb 2012 13:08‎ Troefkaart overleg bijdragen‎ k 2.249 bytes -70‎ fix ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 17 feb 2012 12:17‎ Sir Statler overleg bijdragen‎ 2.319 bytes -31‎ Jullie zijn tenminste van de straat. GJ, kijk even wat nu precies wel en niet cursief. ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 17 feb 2012 10:40‎ Sonuwe overleg bijdragen‎ 2.350 bytes +101‎ Versie 29569310 van Troefkaart (overleg) ongedaan gemaakt.BTNI ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 17 feb 2012 09:12‎ Troefkaart overleg bijdragen‎ k 2.249 bytes -101‎ fix ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 17 feb 2012 01:30‎ Sir Statler overleg bijdragen‎ k 2.350 bytes 0‎ Ach GJ, ik hou me nooit met dit soort zaken bezig. Maar heb geen zin in een beveiliging omdat ik hier buiten sta. Beantwoord je nog even mijn vraag op je OP? ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 17 feb 2012 01:18‎ Gertjan R. overleg bijdragen‎ 2.350 bytes +101‎ Versie 29567708 van Michiel1972 (overleg) ongedaan gemaakt: sorry voor het storen Sir, maar dit vandalisme mag echt niet getolereerd worden. ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 17 feb 2012 01:10‎ Sir Statler overleg bijdragen‎ 2.249 bytes +31‎ Houden jullie het ff leuk? Geen zin in een beveiliging, Ben bezig. ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 17 feb 2012 01:08‎ Sir Statler overleg bijdragen‎ 2.218 bytes +22‎ Houden jullei ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 17 feb 2012 01:03‎ Michiel1972 overleg bijdragen‎ k 2.196 bytes -101‎ gaap, ga je nog lang door met je gijzeling? ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 17 feb 2012 00:49‎ Gertjan R. overleg bijdragen‎ 2.297 bytes +6‎ →‎Keuken: sp ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 17 feb 2012 00:48‎ Gertjan R. overleg bijdragen‎ k 2.291 bytes -1‎ →‎Keuken: typo ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 17 feb 2012 00:48‎ Gertjan R. overleg bijdragen‎ 2.292 bytes +101‎ Versie 29564863 van Michiel1972 (overleg) ongedaan gemaakt: toch wel ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 16 feb 2012 21:36‎ Sir Statler overleg bijdragen‎ 2.191 bytes +127‎ →‎Keuken: Gerechten toegevoegd ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 16 feb 2012 21:23‎ Sir Statler overleg bijdragen‎ 2.064 bytes +1‎ Indeling. ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 16 feb 2012 21:07‎ Michiel1972 overleg bijdragen‎ k 2.063 bytes -101‎ BTNI is hier niet voor bedoeld ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 16 feb 2012 21:03‎ Sonuwe overleg bijdragen‎ 2.164 bytes +101‎ Versie 29564762 van Veendorp (overleg) ongedaan gemaakt. Nog nooit van BTNI gehoord? ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 16 feb 2012 20:57‎ Veendorp overleg bijdragen‎ 2.063 bytes -101‎ Versie 29564744 van Sonuwe (overleg) ongedaan gemaakt. ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 16 feb 2012 20:56‎ Sonuwe overleg bijdragen‎ 2.164 bytes +101‎ Versie 29564388 van Troefkaart (overleg) ongedaan gemaakt. ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 16 feb 2012 20:20‎ Troefkaart overleg bijdragen‎ 2.063 bytes -101‎ Versie 29563385 van Gertjan R. (overleg) ongedaan gemaakt.
huidigvorige 16 feb 2012 18:40‎ Gertjan R. overleg bijdragen‎ 2.164 bytes +101‎ Versie 29547832 van Troefkaart (overleg) ongedaan gemaakt: correcte constructie, BTNI ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 15 feb 2012 22:07‎ Tjako overleg bijdragen‎ k 2.063 bytes +13‎ →‎Keuken ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 15 feb 2012 19:23‎ Troefkaart overleg bijdragen‎ 2.050 bytes -101‎ Versie 29547806 van Gertjan R. (overleg) ongedaan gemaakt. getrol ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 15 feb 2012 19:21‎ Gertjan R. overleg bijdragen‎ 2.151 bytes +101‎ verdorie bende maniakken, stop met BTNI overtreden ongedaan maken
huidigvorige 15 feb 2012 18:09‎ Mexicano overleg bijdragen‎ 2.050 bytes +23‎ ongedaan maken


Me wrote:
17 feb 2012 16:15‎ Sir Statler overleg bijdragen‎ 2.264 bytes +15‎ Kokoretsi toegevoegd. En binnenkort trap ik jullie allemaal uit MIJN taverna.


Was still polite, but this kind of groups of barbarians and warriors from the Big Wiki war of 2007 where in 2012 still active and all the problems till the conflict with Fram now with Jan and the rest leads back to this wiki war.
And you have to stay polite, yes sir, of course you are right. Of course sir, you are the boss. For sure I recognise your authority although you never wrote one single article in your whole career.

Let them all fuck themself and walk to the hell with there trollopedia, and you too Guido! Fuck you with your sniffing, you are bad as the rest and what you have done to me on your wikisage is one big scandal and I should sue you, son of a bitch what you are with your Lidewij troll as sysop! You kicking me out to protect that foolish woman and prutser Lidewij, where are your brains, Guido.

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