Jimbo might lose or have changed his "Founder's Seat".....

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Jimbo might lose or have changed his "Founder's Seat".....

Post by Strelnikov » Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:55 pm

According to Mike Godwin on the Wikipedia Weekly Facebook group:
The WMF Board of Trustees seems to be considering abolishing or altering the "Founder's Seat" on the Board, which was designed to give Jimmy Wales a continuing connection to the Foundation and to tie the Board's activities more closely to its history and values. I was WMF general counsel at the time the Board restructured itself in this way, and at that time it seemed self-evident to all Board members (as well as to staff) that having Jimmy serve in this role (for as long as he should want to) was a good idea. This was considered true not least because the Foundation had been meeting a full range of challenges, so that having the kind of continuity that the Founder's Seat provided was a stabilizing factor that helped insure WMF's remaining in contact with its original mission and values. It seems possible that someday Jimmy may feel his role on the Board no longer serves its purpose, and the design of his Board seat was clear: if Jimmy left the Founder's Seat at some point, that seat would not be filled with any replacement. What I'm hearing, however, is that this latest discussion is not being driven by Jimmy's intention to leave the Board (although I expect he will want to at some point in the future) but instead by a kind of sentiment among some Board members that maybe Jimmy's position is too unusual and so should be eliminated or changed ... just because. To me, that notion is unmoored in any recognition of the value of continuity and tradition. John Perry Barlow served on the EFF Board until his death, and nobody believed his service was somehow a detriment to EFF's progress and success. I think change for its own sake, or to sate some gnawing concern by some Board members that this institutionalized continuity isn't standard operating procedure for other boards, is a bad idea. More than almost any other non-profit enterprise, the Wikimedia Foundation depends on maintaining and honoring its originating culture, of which Jimmy is necessarily a part. In my view, he shouldn't be kicked out of the traditional position before he's ready to go.

Wales own words:

It is of course a bit awkward for me to comment here, but I think that I should.

As is well known, I have no interest in being the boss of anything or the dictator of anything. My most keen interest is for the future of the encyclopedia, with all the core values intact: that we are a community-first project, that we are a charity, that we are neutral, that we strive for quality, and that we work towards governance that means safety for all these values in the long run.

In the past few years, there have been several crises that have made it increasingly clear to me: the biggest problem on the board is not a lack of professional expertise, but rather a lack of community representation and control. I am a steadfast proponent of that - you can speak to James Heilman for more details (I've not consulted with him in advance but I'm sure he'll tell you about my concerns about the "professional" board members who don't seem to have our values at heart.)

I am deeply concerned about the tone of some of the latest proposals from some quarters: a reluctance to be firmly clear that community control - in the form of voting and not just some vague "community-sourced board members" language that might mean anything or nothing - is not negotiable.

I believe that we need to be moving in a mildly different direction with the board expansion. I don't want to make a specific proposal but I will say this: rather than an expansion that keeps community in a slight +1 position, I think we need an expansion that gives the community an absolutely dominant role.

I've not spoken yet about my personal role, because I want us to focus on the long run. But my preference is not to step aside until I am sure that the "professional" appointed seats are absolutely always in service to the community, by making sure that their numbers are - relative to the community numbers - reduced.

Removing my voting seat - yes, it's a good idea in the long run, as I am just one person and not that important in the grand scheme of things. But for now, I feel that my role is to represent the moral conscience of the movement and to prevent takeover by outside interests who do not understand our values. So for those who ask when, I would say: when we are safe. And I don't think that's true just yet.


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Re: Jimbo might lose or have changed his "Founder's Seat".....

Post by ericbarbour » Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:37 pm

Lol. Be glad McLaughlin isn't still alive, because I'd want to punch him in the mouth, the old bastard.

Jimbo has NO ONE to blame for this but himself. He installed assholes and maniacs, who installed other maniacs. There was plenty of warning. Since 2010 a large proportion of them have wanted to seize control and erase all institutional memory of Der Jimbo. Whether that would be a "good thing" is a wash--the general idiocy rises to the surface eventually.

Godwin also knows damn well this was happening and why. He's consistently supported the Wales "values" because hey, fellow libertarian. Funny how they started out hating "cults" and conformism, but ended up with their own set of conformist principles. What is the Randite "movement" other than a cult?

I wonder if Heilman is one of the people quietly pushing to purge Wales, while "making nice" to him in public. Heilman clearly is capable of the ego to try to seize control of the WMF. Do I really need to post links to the 2015 election of Heilman to the WMF board, followed by his unceremonious and unprecedented ejection (possibly engineered by Jimbo), followed by months of squabbling, followed by Heilman's re-election in 2017?

Speaking of the general idiocy: Today I discovered an article that has been under constant unnoticed brutal editwar since 2008. Various Muslims (Dawat fans?) expand it dramatically, then nuts like "GorgeCustersSabre" chop it down. Pakistan has millions of observant Muslims who absolutely hate Dawat. Apparently it's one of those outfits that are most popular with ignorant backwoods villagers. As usual, Pakistanis don't like to openly discuss such things with outsiders. And Wikipedia is deliberately set up to allow them to fight each other "unseen". Thanks Jimbo!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawat-e-Islami

All of this attracted my attention because one of Jack Elliano's friends emailed a video from Madani TV in Pakistan, which is owned by Dawat. On a "children's show", an Islamic cleric told the kids, with a straight face, that the Earth does not move. Oh Pakistan, why haven't you fallen apart in berserk civil warfare yet? (I could ask the same about the WMF. Maybe it's the money.)
https://youtu.be/L9ofCP3WAKU
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Re: Jimbo might lose or have changed his "Founder's Seat".....

Post by wexter » Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:23 am

GorgeCustersSabre and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawat-e-Islami

I inserted the word Sunni in front of Islam and I got cut by George Custer's Saber.
I confronted him on that matter here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_ta ... or_Clarity.

What is really funny is the article badly misquotes its highest quality source - a European anthropologist who talks about DEI's shiny rhetoric vs terrorism and fundamentalism. The irony is that the article pulls only the positive from a neutral academic study.

I posted my findings (upon reading the research papers) in talk and flagged it as a npov. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dawat-e-Islami

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Re: Jimbo might lose or have changed his "Founder's Seat".....

Post by wexter » Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:04 am

So far I have been attacked twice.
‬‪Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI - Shot me for an html editing error which I corrected in five minutes because he was afraid of vandalism


I added a connection to Charlie Hebdo shooting supported by two major news outlets.


Zeheer Hassan Mehmood purportedly said he was spiritually guided by Ilyas Qadri, a Sunni cleric and founder of Dawat-e-Islami. Qadri believes a person who commits blasphemy should be dealt with by the police but also believes that if another person were driven to commit acts of violence by their emotions, the law should not apply.

Is it general idiocy at Wikipedia or something worse?

Perhaps wikipidia will file for a police warrant for my arrest on the grounds of my apostate and blasphemous behavior, a knock on my door from the Karachi Kops is imminent.

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