Re: Graphs don't work because WMF developers are idiots
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2024 6:08 pm
www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Graph/Plans#FAQBbb23sucks wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 2:54 amLol they created an entire roadmap/strategy to fix the graph issue: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extensio ... ns#Roadmap I bet it still won't work in ten years.
two months later and there is no solution.The team expects there to be a timeline to share during the first or second week of November 2023. By this time, we think we will know whether volunteers see any fundamental issues with the roadmap that warrant it being revised.
phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334940
so the plan going forward is now "to address the graphs issue in a more concerted way on a faster timeline so that decisions get made and momentum gets generated". if only that was the "plan going forward" back in April 2023.Matthew Miller wrote:Hi @Sj -- thanks for asking about this. I know this has been such a long road and still without a solution. My plan going forward is to address the graphs issue in a more concerted way on a faster timeline so that decisions get made and momentum gets generated. Like I wrote in my post on Mediawiki, it is looking like we may need to move the conversation from "getting graphs back up and running quickly", to "figuring out a sustainable long term solution (and a plan for what to do about visualizations in the short term)". Right now, I'm gathering the small group of staff members who will think about the possible solutions. It would also really help me to have some synchronous conversations with people who know this space well and want to have a hand in planning. If you (or anyone else watching this task) would be interested in talking about this, please let me know at mmiller@wikimedia.org. Thank you!
Matthew Miller's post on MediaWiki explains that the previous guy, Peter Pelberg, "is out on leave for a couple months" which is typical for Wikimedia Foundation. this isnt good enough for Sam Klein who wrote yesterday:
checking only the two he linked, Web server and Learning curve, shows that these graphs are indeed prominently placed if not the lead image. so for nine months the lead images for Learning curve is displayed as "Graphs are unavailable due to technical issues. There is more info on Phabricator and on MediaWiki.org."Hello @MMiller_WMF, thanks warmly for tackling this. We seem to have a solution to the immediate problem (rendering static images), but have not implemented it.
There are over 10K transclusions that remain live on various projects (you know, in minor articles like Ammonia, Central Bank, Facebook, Ohio, Petroleum, Web server, Learning curve, ... sometimes the lead image!), which have rendered as broken embeds for almost a year. All would be better served with a static image.
I would like to contribute to planning rendering those images and replacing the current uses of Template:Graph:Chart. But I have little to contribute beyond this request to please render + replace (now, before trying creative and less certain long-term things). [ẅ]
there was some activity on the Phabricator page yesterday that could be worth reading. :^)