Wikipedia Sucks!

Hi everyone,

Any thoughts or research to share from you would be appreciated.

I'm doing a little more of a deep dive into this practice of Wikipedia blacklisting websites.

Especially after confirming that WWHP is indeed blacklisted.

WWHP is not just blacklisted on a particular permalink to a specific article mind you, like many prominent sites like CNN do have, but the entire website.

I'm having a difficult time finding out more about how, and where this happens on Wikipedia.

I have found their spam link blacklisted permalink list (or at least one), but not a list of sites.

Also, if there is any historical drama around blacklisted websites, it would be good to know to.

What I have found so far, which is somewhat interesting and just recently discovered - is that there were Wikipedia editors sharing WWHP links addressing similar problems, even with the same editors that were involved with WWHP. Even Brian Josephson, the Nobel Laurette, was sharing WWHP links on Wikipedia, frustrating I imagine to this collective of editors.

What I didn't realize was that this was happening a year or two since I was banned, and that so much of the off wiki harassment I've faced around discrediting this blog and me around the web happened at the same time other Wikipedia editors were using WWHP to confront this collective of skeptics.

So I want to find more of that trail - it's a good story. Especially because Wikipedia itself, censored in other countries, sort of publicly represents this beacon of free information, and the community literally in this instance is censoring information coming into Wikipedia.

Feedback appreciated in advance!

Cheers
WWHP

There was a kerfuffle on WP over blacklisting WO and I think that site was eventually taken off the blacklist.

I think the older Wikipedia Review forum (not the one on Proboards) was also blacklisted.

I haven't been following the blacklisting controversies. I think Kumioko would know about that. If I recall correctly there is no public list of blacklisted websites, but I think the list of edit filter mangers may be public. I think the edit filter managers are separate from the administrators and there is overlap.

Thx Flip. Do you have any idea of how this process happens? Surely it is initiated at the editor or admin level and should be discovered via their histories. I want to see which editor or admin specifically requested WWHP being blacklisted, and the rationale for doing so.

Flip Flopped wrote:I haven't been following the blacklisting controversies. I think Kumioko would know about that. If I recall correctly there is no public list of blacklisted websites, but I think the list of edit filter mangers may be public. I think the edit filter managers are separate from the administrators and there is overlap.

Yes, I believe filter privileges are separate from administrator privileges, so there will be a few non-administrator (though obviously administrative) editors mucking about with filters. Surely the vast majority are administrators though.

Here's a failed proposal for the WP:BADSITES (renamed WP:ATTACK_SITES) that, though failed, illuminates some of the blacklist proponents' thinking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BADSITES.

There is some crazy, out-of-control stuff going on with Wikipedia's filter crowd, and I'd love for every filter and all its comments to be leaked.

WWHP wrote:Thx Flip. Do you have any idea of how this process happens? Surely it is initiated at the editor or admin level and should be discovered via their histories. I want to see which editor or admin specifically requested WWHP being blacklisted, and the rationale for doing so.

Mutineer gave you more information that I have. I don't think there is public discussion of what to put on the blacklist. I think there is outcry if a site that editors don't want on the blacklist ends up on it. What I seem to recall as far as WO being put on the blacklist is that a number of WO participants with WP accounts went and objected on WP. Eventually WP backed down, possibly because Alison, SB Johnny, and Hex (who was not WO staff yet) all objected on WP and they are all WP admins.

I still think Kumioko is likely the best resource on the blacklist. Mutineer is good too.

It is interesting to see just how developed this black-listing versus white-listing debate has become. WP and specifically JzG seem to be on the side of the black-listers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki ... March_2017

h/t King's Indian

sashi wrote:It is interesting to see just how developed this black-listing versus white-listing debate has become. WP and specifically JzG seem to be on the side of the black-listers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki ... March_2017

h/t King's Indian

Yes, the blacklist is used freely and doesn't seem to be subject to community oversight/feedback. Does anyone know how a person gets promoted to filter manager?

This is very very helpful to start! Thanks for this so far. I'm going to dig a bit deeper into what we have so far, will update when more develops.