Wikipedia Sucks!

I found this (neutral, not the pirate party shit this time) article about article13 and it is a pity it is in Dutch, but it is absolute interesting to share it with you.

https://nos.nl/artikel/2271972-het-blij ... deren.html

Intersting is what Mireille Eechoud, hoogleraar (professor) Informatierecht is saying about the proposal. He explane its is extreem complex material, and that makes it so hard to predict how article 13 will work out in the different European country's.

Reading this very recent article I don't think anything will change anymore because there is now a general supported consensus acceptable for both the European parlement and the Council of Europe according to the negotiators. It looks the die is cast.
As said before, it is absolute unclear how article13 will work out, but what is for sure things are going to change dramatical on the European internet. What exacte? We will need at least two years of patient to know the answer.
And as said and explained many times before, article13 is not about copyright or right of panorama in general, it is only about filtering and who is responsible for copyright violations. Slogans as save your copyright are for this reason Utter Fucking Bullshit of the free source mouvement.

This is also a nice piece of background information what makes clear why Europe is implanting article 11 and 13. And the good news is it is in English this time.


Inside Facebook’s fight against European regulation



I give you this background information because all the "information" I found from the anti-lobby is fake news what is colored, is spreading disinformation, in short often it is simple not true what they are claiming. Romaine and the rest where all the time i have lived with them on Wikipedia and Wikiquote simple lying. And if someone noticed like me he was lying he and his friends trolled him out with everymeans what they had.

You belong to your father Romaine, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


John 8:44 (Modified)

Not one word of what Romaine and his allies told you was true. It where all lies, lies and again lies. Both from his Brussels chapter as from his "Brussels Advocating Group". Romaine made trolling and lying to a kind of art, and who dared to say something what he didn't like was trolled out by his friends and allies
Even the arbcom policy was infiltrated by them and fraudulent on WP-NL as you can see here, the People's Court and Roland Freisler could learn something out of it. (In Dutch.)

And this seems to me a fair conclusion of Facebook Chief Operating Officer Sheryl Sandberg, and it should be wise of WMF to adopt this vision instate of spoiling a tremendous lot of money to the complete Romaine, Dimi, Gerlach 'Pirate Party Utter Fucking Bullshit'.

“Governments have a right and a duty to set rules and boundaries, and we are supportive of the right regulation"

“Governments have to set standards, and companies have to work with them to make sure we can meet them.”

The damage this guys have made will be much higher at the end because indeed, that is correct, the CC licences will be very restricted in the future because of this new regulation and most of the Wikipedia, Commons and Wikidata content you can flush straight through the toilet. It will be worthless and illegal in the patchwork of legal regulations in the different European country's we will get in the near future. Because one thing is for sure, copyright in Europe will be much more complex than it already was and that is the only right and fair conclusion we (hobby) juristen can draw at the moment.

We are coming to the end of the "Wild West" days of the Internet, when any American company could show up in Europe or elsewhere, set up or sell Internet communications, and pretty much "run" the system, thus extending the former ARPAnet outside of the US-Canadian academic-industrial zone where it had existed since the 1960s. The Russians are building their own Internet, the "Red" Chinese have their own software firewall, and now the European Union is growing strength in controlling it's online communications. The globalized neoliberal economic model died in 2007, now we are moving towards some sort of gradually-hardening state control. In the future we may see multiple Internets in the English-speaking world, or the US is walled off from Europe online, or some other Berlin Wall-style "highjinks."

You have to understand all these continents you mention have not direct politics, but are ruled by technocrats. Elections doesn't change much in these countries, you have seen what has happend with Article 13. France and Germany wanted that article 13, so they get it. It looks there was a struggle, but there was non. The only thing what has happend was other country's wanted to get as much change in return as they could get, but it was clear form the first moment on Germany and France should get what they wanted. It only looks like a battle, but it was not. It is daily practice in Europe and business as usual, it does't reach our newspapers or other news.

And there was the misinformation of the free source mouvement, there was never something to win. There was never a battle other than the normal backroom fights to get something in return.
This was a opportunity for the other country's because Germany and France wanted this rules so badly that they are screw out like a lemon till the end, that was all.
But article 11 and 13 itself? I bet most of that MEP's have no idea where it is about. They are what we call voting cattle, there party give them orders how to vote and they have to obey. That is where they have signed for when they got the job, and otherwise they are kicked out of there party and has there carrier ended, and granddad or grandma can go home to take care about there grandchildren.

Brussel politic is made in commissions and back rooms, not in the European parlement. And in out national politic and house of parliaments it is about the same. Negotiators make politics, He guys, try to get some benefits for our olive farmers back in return. Listen, there is a problem about the paper industry in our country, ask if mama Merkel can support us in return. In that way it works. But do you really believe that MEP's understand a word of that three pages technical legel stuff and where it is about? Or even has read it? Our listen to fools like Dimi, Anna and Romaine=>Wikimedia with there Pirate Party wikishit? Forget it!

Our Dutch friend madam Drnatuur12 AKA Drtroll gave this link. to one of the Dutch gender lady's, Ciell. It is a blogpost of Charlotte Meindersma, a Dutch lawyer. It is about the impact of article 13, in Dutch.
And it should be a great idea if Doc James and the others read this article and form there opinion after they have read a good article and not the Romaine and Dimi Pirate Party constantly shitstorm. And start to think if they and WMF really want to be the promotion department of the Piraten party, subsidised with donor money.

Because I warn you, in WP-NL is clearly the press in the house, the first inside article is already published. High quality press is in the house, Het NRC, and De Volkskant already has showed interest on Moira here talkpage. Newspapers you can compare with Frankfurter Allgemeine, the top of the Dutch press.
My prediction is many articles will follow soon, so you are warned! I have nothing to do with that, I don't talk direct with the press, but I am sure they have seen exact what has happened.
Because remember, you can lie and bluf as much as you want, ask professor Casper and arb Vintroll, the press didn't even listen to them, but the wiki-history doesn't lie!

Graaf Statler wrote:Copyright: MEPs back provisional agreement

The text also specifies that these rules will not apply to uploading works to online encyclopaedias in a non-commercial way, such as Wikipedia, or open source software platforms, such as GitHub. Finally, start-up platforms will be subject to lighter obligations than more established ones.

They have realized it has passed and are trying to spin it to make it look like they did something relevant.

The gullible public will believe them.

This is the press page of the EU, Arthur.

The "Brussels Advocating Group" got where they where asking for, but not what they wanted.....
Because, commercial re-use is impossible after article13 is implanted, so there CC licensed work is wordless. As said before non of the big platforms will be interested in there rubbish anymore, but they have nothing to complain about. The EU knew exact what they did, and I think that was the reason they mentioned WIkipedia explicitly in there press bulletin.

And, the copyright problems of Wikipedia remain of course the same, article13 change noting.....