ericbarbour wrote:Graaf Statler wrote:But NL law is a Code Napoleon system
Hmm, do they still do the guilty-till-proven-innocent thing? I would think Wikipedians would LOVE that setup. Because they love nothing more than to abuse and beat up each other, and then get each other banned for absurd "reasons". Even Napoleon himself would not like that scheme.
WP runs more like Soviet tribunals that dealt with things like the Chernobyl disaster. Lie, cheat, lie more, blame an unimportant third party. Silence critics. Disappear someone if they become too honest. "Our system is best system!"
Yes, we still have the guilty-till-proven-innocent thing. But we have something else what the code Napoleon system so unpredictable makes. Unwritten law, and this is the most tricky part of it. And this makes the continental Europe legal system complete different from the Anglo-Saxon common law. Complete.
A judge is not bound to common law, he is complete free. He can do whatever he wants as long he stays within the borders of the law. He or she has only to deal with
reasonable and fair and what is reasonable and fair is complete up to the judge.
And a second very tricky thing is many things what is in the Anglo-Saxon common law civil law is in our system criminal law. For instance copivio on a lage scale, deformation, and many other things. And, if something is under criminal law the state, the prosecutor prosecuted and as a private person you can ad a civil claim, what is guaranteed by the state. You always get your money, and the state cashed it. It is a criminal and a civil trail in one for free. Without any risk for you.
So, you don't have to deal as a foundation if you break the law not with a private person, no, you have to deal with the Dutch state. And I guarantee you that is a tuff component!
But Abd is a wise man, all the time he is saying take your time and step by step and that is what both Abd and I are doing, a step, and discussing that step in Dysk his war room on Discord. Whit very intelligent other people, well informed people, and extreem skilled lawyers like Dysk. Step by step.
And about WP-NL, well after Kim MoiraMoira-un has left screaming the wiki house and even hide herself for the press is there wiki house is on fire. Most of the brave key persons have left, it is absolute clear the bake bone of the power structure is broken. There pirate approch has failed and there simple is no plan B.
There situation is hopeless, if article 13/17 is implanted they can be any moment be hit by the EU with fines and strong messenges. There is not any escape because those European regulation works out as digital Roundup. Pirates there heads are chopped in the future in Europe, or at least they end up in prison.
Jimmy said after EU article 13/17 was accepted on Jimmy talk it was against us, and he was complete right. Because article 11 and 13/17 are the ultimate Wikipedia Daisy Cutters together with all those European privacy laws. There is not any future for them left.