Wikipedia Sucks!

Graaf Statler pointed it out, and there's no question: nl-WP is getting only a few edits per day. That is not a "robust community", that is a cemetery.

See for yourself.

https://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Speciaal: ... ijzigingen

The last Wikimedia Nederland conference was in 2013. That was also when editing activity began to slow down.

Some of you participated on older WP criticism forums and may remember how many "free culture" extremists and flakes came from the Dutch Wikimedia "movement". Gerard Meijssner, Erik Möller, and Arnoud Engelfriet, all were founders of the now-forgotten "Stichting Open Progress" group. Commons is a madhouse partly thanks to a number of nl-WP insiders pushing for more porn and more penis pics and more general copyright-hatred.

And now you can start the countdown until one of their administrators posts a denial of this on the "Nieuwsbrief".

Yes, but that's the Dutch Chapter wiki link. Maybe the insiders are doing all their plotting behind closed doors, which is anathema to a transparent movement, but WM chapters are often far from transparent.

Here's Recent Changes from the actual Dutch Wikipedia: https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciaal:RecenteWijzigingen&limit=500.

Yeh, it's dying. But there are still some interests to defend. The article of Oscar van Dillen, the article of Master in Law Engelfriet, his "law firm" (210 euro a hour), a lot of other articles, and a lot of interest in the Dutch society too of course. And .... the money, money from SanFan. Free money to play with. There is not business than wiki businesses. Like Edo said in a email, we are a club, and the members are the boss and if we want to drink all the money in the bar, we are free to do. Well, that is what they are doing with the donor money from SanFan. For years now. Latterly often.

WP-NL is grond zero, and the future en the faith of every wiki at the end! Because of the Wiki-system with there goof faith.

Flip Flopped wrote:Yes, but that's the Dutch Chapter wiki link. Maybe the insiders are doing all their plotting behind closed doors, which is anathema to a transparent movement, but WM chapters are often far from transparent.

Here's Recent Changes from the actual Dutch Wikipedia: https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciaal:RecenteWijzigingen&limit=500.

I forgot to also post the "WMF wikis by activity" link. As you can see there, editing activity on nl-WP peaked out in 2011-2013 and is sliding.
Most other major "world language" Wikipedias are doing the same. Of course, en-WP peaked in 2007 and despite endless attempts to "goose" up participation, it's basically drifting.

ericbarbour wrote:

Flip Flopped wrote:Yes, but that's the Dutch Chapter wiki link. Maybe the insiders are doing all their plotting behind closed doors, which is anathema to a transparent movement, but WM chapters are often far from transparent.

Here's Recent Changes from the actual Dutch Wikipedia: https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciaal:RecenteWijzigingen&limit=500.

I forgot to also post the "WMF wikis by activity" link. As you can see there, editing activity on nl-WP peaked out in 2011-2013 and is sliding.
Most other major "world language" Wikipedias are doing the same. Of course, en-WP peaked in 2007 and despite endless attempts to "goose" up participation, it's basically drifting.

Yeh, and what is left are low- quality edits or robotmatic. Most users are working on a list of rabbits with the longest tail or that kind of nonsens. Or do many small useless edits. They have the mind of kids five years old, Eric.
If they are trolling, what they are most times are doing, they troll like children from a kindergarten. Dit you see that gendergab articles I showed on WO in that gendergab topic? Porno actrices with big tits! Sex talk! And that Sandra Rientjes, chairman, we are so proud of our gendergab articles and may we have 300.000 euro please. It's ridiculous! Just like not being recognized as a charity by the CBF! And that Wikimedia BE, forced by Romaina with his freedom of panorama, with his friend Engelfriet what gets more than 95.000 euro play money a year from SanFan! And that whole WM-BE was and is complet nonsens, WP-DE has for years a picture of the atomium. It was only to make greens!

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomium

By the way, Lodewijk aka Effeietsanders is on his way to the states! (19 augustus, laatste Wikizaterdag voor het vertrek van Lodewijk naar de VS.) Wiki Saturday's what Sandra made so proud. With 2 or 3 wiki troll staff members.

You don't know Loderwijk? That is that mister Wikimedia who never wrote one single article in his whole wiki career. And only translate, and love pictures. Yes him! On his way to the states! That born mister Wikimedia, who travels over the whole world on the expense of the donors. A student! Or now ex student. Yes, that is him!

https://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiZaterdag

ericbarbour wrote:

Flip Flopped wrote:Yes, but that's the Dutch Chapter wiki link. Maybe the insiders are doing all their plotting behind closed doors, which is anathema to a transparent movement, but WM chapters are often far from transparent.

Here's Recent Changes from the actual Dutch Wikipedia: https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciaal:RecenteWijzigingen&limit=500.

I forgot to also post the "WMF wikis by activity" link. As you can see there, editing activity on nl-WP peaked out in 2011-2013 and is sliding.
Most other major "world language" Wikipedias are doing the same. Of course, en-WP peaked in 2007 and despite endless attempts to "goose" up participation, it's basically drifting.

Thanks for the link to the analytics on the Wikipedia projects. Do you think the WMF also publishes something like that for the different countries' chapter wikis?

ericbarbour wrote:Graaf Statler pointed it out, and there's no question: nl-WP is getting only a few edits per day. That is not a "robust community", that is a cemetery.

See for yourself.

https://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Speciaal: ... ijzigingen

The last Wikimedia Nederland conference was in 2013. That was also when editing activity began to slow down.

Some of you participated on older WP criticism forums and may remember how many "free culture" extremists and flakes came from the Dutch Wikimedia "movement". Gerard Meijssner, Erik Möller, and Arnoud Engelfriet, all were founders of the now-forgotten "Stichting Open Progress" group. Commons is a madhouse partly thanks to a number of nl-WP insiders pushing for more porn and more penis pics and more general copyright-hatred.

And now you can start the countdown until one of their administrators posts a denial of this on the "Nieuwsbrief".

In one thing you are wrong. That Wikimedia Conferentie Nederland is every year, because that is with the new years reception one of the high light of the year! It is sponsorde by Meeting Plaza Utrecht, good food, good drinks, and you have to been seen there! Of course it's complete nonsense, some wikimedia trolls held a reading (Het organisatieteam is gestart met de voorbereidingen en is op zoek naar sprekers. De conferentie is dé gelegenheid om het publiek met je onderwerp of project kennis te laten maken. Wij nodigen iedereen met een idee voor een presentatie, workshop of discussie uit om een voorstel in te dienen.), and the glasses are filled (see picture), but no Wikimedia Conferentie, no never!

https://www.wikimedia.nl/nieuwsbericht/ ... onferentie

Graaf Statler wrote:

ericbarbour wrote:The last Wikimedia Nederland conference was in 2013.

In one thing you are wrong. That Wikimedia Conferentie Nederland is every year, because that is with the new years reception one of the high light of the year!

Well, they aren't running the usual portal for the later ones. Incompetence, forgetfulness, whatever.

Do you think the WMF also publishes something like that for the different countries' chapter wikis?

Not that I've ever found. In fact, none of the Wikimedia chapters is really "open" about their finances or much of anything else.

Remember: after David Gerard and FT2 and their idiot pals ran the first Wikimedia UK into the ground, and Bamkin and Davies (and Ashley Van Haeften!) revived it in 2011, it started out not too badly. But then Ashley started going berserk and they put the likes of Martin Poulter and Bamkin on the board of directors. Then they gave Richard Symonds a job. The censorship soon started.

Go thru their stupid website. You will find very little hard information and loads of blather about "Wiki Magic". And there is NOTHING about the disastrous first incarnation of Wikimedia UK, 2006-2008, except a few IRC logs (which make for incredibly stupid reading). It's a private club: they vote for each other and approve each other's stupid projects.

Don't ask me about Wikimedia Italia. It could not be more rotten--like Italian politics today.

If you need more proof, look at the major Wikimedia mailing lists.

The original wikipedia-l list (started in January 2001) died out around 2007. Most of the talk appeared on WikiEN-l.
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/

WikiEN-l was pretty busy too, until 2013 when it died.
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/

Wikimedia-l is still pretty busy, albeit there's a lot of talk about fundraising. Presumably the insiders are mostly interested in getting a paying job with the WMF rather than with actual operations.
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/

They run a LOT of mailing list things--most of which are dead or nearly dead. The REAL business is discussed on private IRC channels.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Overview