Why Wikipedia harms themselves with their banning culture.

[CMAwatch]

Wikipedia should not consider criticism as an attack, but as constructive feedback!

They ought to be open-minded. That would help everyone. But not Bbb23's evidently destructive practices.

Read: Why banning culture is harmful for a community, written by no other than Handroid7.

It mentions Bbb23 too.

[Abd]

True or False, it doesn't matter. Whining. One of the definitions of whining is complaining that others are not doing things right, and it can include concern trolling. Characteristic of whining is that the only "action" is making others wrong, not taking steps to create value and progress. Has it every been noticed by a whiner that all their complaint about a person, how wrong they are, never changed their mind, except maybe once when they were a child and their parents gave in to their complaints of "Unfair! Johnny got a new bicycle!" The behavior is repeated over and over, with really poor results.

Or, how's it working for you?

[Graaf Statler]

O, please fuck off here with your for ever Abdshit please. You and your friend have already reach your goal, destroying Sucks with Abdism.
Is it still not enough, Abd?

[Abd]

More Trollshit from Graaf, who has reacted with high dudgeon at being called a troll, but who has directly admitted trolling JuiceBeetle to get him to block him, He has filled this forum with his insane fantasies mixed with attack on about anything he doesn't understand, and he then claims that because of JuiceBeetle there is no content here, when the largest effect suppressing commentary here has been the very low quality of posts by Graaf and some others.

When this site was down, he ramped up his activity on the WPO Discord server, while at the same time claiming that it's a stupid site for gamers. Because he was filling the server with personal attacks, I was given admin tools to allow deleting it, at my discretion. He was warned and defied the warnings, so content was deleted. He was allowed to rant in a Level2 channel (more private), freely, but then pinged me repeatedly there (where my general practice was to ignore it.) So I warned him and when he responded as he always responds (with defiance, "@Abd @Abd @Abd"), I deleted them and he ranted and raved about how I was breaking the rules. He's never understood that people are more important than rules, and there was no "rule," just a practice. When the Owner finally asked him to stop pinging, then he stopped, making the point that he'd follow the owner. But as with JuiceBeetle here, the Owner had granted the tools and was aware of how they were being used. And that's Graaf's story, over and over. Adolescent Avoiding Domination. Stuck in it.

Now that he can post here -- for a time -- he's reduced and moderated his rants there. He is either insane or deceptive about what has happened there, here, and elsewhere. Absolutely not trustworthy. I was sorry to see it. Really sorry. Many people told him he was harming himself by keeping up the wikishit. He said it himself. But he's addicted, it appears.

[boredbird]

He has filled this forum with his insane fantasies mixed with attack on about anything he doesn't understand, and he then claims that because of JuiceBeetle there is no content here, when the largest effect suppressing commentary here has been the very low quality of posts by Graaf and some others.

[Graaf Statler]

Bullshit Abd. You have behaved yourself as a crazy dictator with your crazy tree house moderation and have in that way destroyed this place. Trolls always say the other is a troll and just fuck off with your Abdshit and Abdism.

You guys should make this a better place and see how it end up. In a boring Abdistic place even worser than WO.

[Graaf Statler]

But he's addicted, it appears

Said by the man who is hanging really day and night on the internet in tree houses on every place and every forum you can imagine!

Idiot!

[CMAwatch]

Whining.

It is impossible to complain or share legitimate criticism without this vile accusation.

Also, what are Aron Manning and Handroid7 supposed to do to get unblocked and their contributions reinstated?

[CMAwatch]

@Abd How can one legitimately criticize anything without being accused of whining?

[Abd]

@Abd How can one legitimately criticize anything without being accused of whining?

Fascinating that you have that question. You never learned, apparently.
First of all, you can be "accused" of anything. The implication is that you are doing something Bad, and surely Whining is Bad, right? But whining is very common. With children, particularly, who have not been trained to express themselves without the emotional content of whining, which is, indeed, annoying. So the issue is what you are actually doing, rather than what someone will "accuse" you of. The accusations could be whining about whining, and whining has an element of accusation in it.
UNFAIR! YOU ARE BEING UNFAIR! WAAAA!
According to whose standards, and how is this judged? Communicating fact is not whining, though trolls will accuse you of it, i.e, they will impute the complaint by your bothering to state the facts. Consider two reports of a possible crime. A "victim" may communicate it with a tone and demeanor of complaint and blame. A police officer would communicate the same information without that. So the issue is not the facts, but the emotion carried.

Can you imagine a prosecuting attorney whining to the court? CMAwatch, you have very low standards for yourself. Why not elevate them? You will never regret it.

Not saying that emotion is bad or wrong, but in adult relations, it can be heavily disempowering. Most people do not respond well to whining.

Now, that's in person, where the tone of voice and other aspects of behavior will show whining. People then impute it to the written word, often incorrectly.

Document how administrators do their jobs, you will be accused of whining, because what you are really saying -- if this is true -- is that they are Bad and Wrong and all right-thinking people should toss them out on their ear. But some people aren't doing that. Some people are interested in reality, in what is actually happening, not so much what *should* be happening if the world wasn't so effed up. What is happening, what is possible, how can we create a world worth living in? That is not whining, it is the opposite. To move into the future, we need to know the present.