Why Wikipedia harms themselves with their banning culture.

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Re: Why Wikipedia harms themselves with their banning cultur

Post by CMAwatch » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:08 am

Abd wrote:
CMAwatch wrote:@Abd How can one legitimately criticize anything without being accused of whining?

Fascinating that you have that question. You never learned, apparently.
First of all, you can be "accused" of anything. The implication is that you are doing something Bad, and surely Whining is Bad, right? But whining is very common. With children, particularly, who have not been trained to express themselves without the emotional content of whining, which is, indeed, annoying. So the issue is what you are actually doing, rather than what someone will "accuse" you of. The accusations could be whining about whining, and whining has an element of accusation in it.
UNFAIR! YOU ARE BEING UNFAIR! WAAAA!
According to whose standards, and how is this judged? Communicating fact is not whining, though trolls will accuse you of it, i.e, they will impute the complaint by your bothering to state the facts. Consider two reports of a possible crime. A "victim" may communicate it with a tone and demeanor of complaint and blame. A police officer would communicate the same information without that. So the issue is not the facts, but the emotion carried.

Can you imagine a prosecuting attorney whining to the court? CMAwatch, you have very low standards for yourself. Why not elevate them? You will never regret it.

Not saying that emotion is bad or wrong, but in adult relations, it can be heavily disempowering. Most people do not respond well to whining.

Now, that's in person, where the tone of voice and other aspects of behavior will show whining. People then impute it to the written word, often incorrectly.

Document how administrators do their jobs, you will be accused of whining, because what you are really saying -- if this is true -- is that they are Bad and Wrong and all right-thinking people should toss them out on their ear. But some people aren't doing that. Some people are interested in reality, in what is actually happening, not so much what *should* be happening if the world wasn't so effed up. What is happening, what is possible, how can we create a world worth living in? That is not whining, it is the opposite. To move into the future, we need to know the present.


Thank you for the detailed response.

But which exact phrases of Handroid7's text do you consider whining?
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ericbarbour wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:22 am
[Wikipedia is] a stupid video game, and the "encyclopedia" is an accidental byproduct.

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