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Because I love raw info, two blogposts of backroom Russo-Ukrainian war Talk....

Post by Strelnikov » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:45 pm

As seen below:

http://wikipedia-sucks-badly.blogspot.c ... ssian.html

http://wikipedia-sucks-badly.blogspot.c ... n-war.html

Is any of this earthshattering? No. But they will delete stuff if the war ends by the summer*, just watch.

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* I don't see any of it lasting much longer; most of the mechanized units of the Ukrainian Army and National Guard seem to have vanished or been reduced to operating RPGs or MANPADs or are line infantry, you never hear from the Ukrainian Air Force nor the Navy.... only the Russians, and only when they get ambushed or they lose a Kamov helicopter to ground fire. Because the Russians only let the Chechen units have smartphones, while the Ukrainians let their soldiers do free propaganda for them.
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Re: Because I love raw info, two blogposts of backroom Russo-Ukrainian war Talk....

Post by ericbarbour » Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:13 pm

Taking into account as to what is currently happening inside Russia, what are the chances of Vladimir Putin and Alexander Lukashenko ending up like Nicolae Ceausescu and/or the Romanovs?

Please read wp:crystal and wp:forum. Slatersteven (talk) 13:31, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Exactly what I expect a Wiki-Robot-Boy to spew. If Wikipedia were run like a SANE reference work, they would not be trying to play at being a "current news portal", while also denying it loudly. With the usual crap "policies", badly written and constantly messed with by insiders.

If you REALLY want a laugh, look at how the Signpost is "covering" the war. "Nice" to see that Headbomb is still "with us", and still a complete little dick mongler. Here you are, a textbook example of "good Wikipedians" throwing idiot tantrums at each other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... npost_team

If Headbomb keeps it up, they will censor that page to hell and gone so his shitty supporters can continue to claim he is a "good Wikipedian". Remember: this is a guy who ran FOUR RFAs, all of which flopped like a dead squid on a fishing boat's deck. Thanks to his relentless need to fight with people. Mr. Landry is still one of the WORST Wikipedia fans I have ever seen.

I need to save a copy.

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Re: Because I love raw info, two blogposts of backroom Russo-Ukrainian war Talk....

Post by wexter » Fri Apr 08, 2022 3:10 am

It's quite offensive ,and totally delusional, that a bunch of self-isolating "parrots" sincerely believe that they are "reporters and/or journalists."
Wikipedia - "Barely competent and paranoid. There’s a hell of a combination."

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Re: Because I love raw info, two blogposts of backroom Russo-Ukrainian war Talk....

Post by ericbarbour » Fri Apr 08, 2022 4:18 am

Strelnikov's second post contains some deeply wacky (AND LONG WINDED) fighting over things associated to the war. How typical of them to keep a photo of someone killed by the bombing of Chernihiv, with no further information and no context. Those Wiki bungs really love their war porn. And the attempt to use one Guardian editorial to claim that Putin is an antisemite--come on. He's a stupid and arrogant nationalist but even he isn't mad enough to push the "Jewish question" button. At least not in public.

Many of these twits were involved in the Eastern Europe mailing list squabble more than ten years ago. No change or "reform" yet.

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Re: Because I love raw info, two blogposts of backroom Russo-Ukrainian war Talk....

Post by ericbarbour » Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:26 pm

Clear proof that en-wiki is mishandling the Ukraine-Russia war in their usual pathological way. Random nerds grind out more and more trivial articles about anything related. Even memes. I suspect that ru-wiki is being controlled by Russian government shills (and the WMF will deny it!) and the uk-wiki is probably in a state of total chaos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template: ... of_Ukraine

If you can read Cyrillic and recognize some Russian/Ukrainian words and phrases, decide for yourself. This is Recent Changes on uk.wiki.
https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0 ... lversion=2

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Re: Because I love raw info, two blogposts of backroom Russo-Ukrainian war Talk....

Post by Strelnikov » Tue Apr 19, 2022 5:08 am

Slightly related, the Aidan Aslin interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNizGwjZbo0

Aslin was one of two British men who were captured at Mariupol in the last two days. He had fought with the Kurds a few years ago against ISIS, had Royal Army training. He is British-Ukrainian and went off to defend the Motherland in 2018 in the Luhansk/Lugansk region, fighting the Lugansk People's Republic and the volunteer Russians. His interviewer is an ex-RT journalist, Graham Phillips, who acts more like an interrogator. If the YouTube file vanishes, here is another link:
https://thesaker.is/exclusive-interview ... -mariupol/

I do not consider this to be a fair interview -- Phillips leads Aslin multiple times, chides him, asks him to say the Russian version of Ukrainian place names (example: Lugansk is the Russian for Luhansk). His hair is down over some cuts he got to his forehead, and the sweater Aslin is wearing hides a military t-shirt with the Azov Battalion logo on the shoulder. Is that his shirt or just a clean one he was captured with, I don't know, but he was not a member of Azov. Aslin was handcuffed the entire time.

Wikipedia's view of Aiden Aslin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiden_Aslin

The other solder was the much older Shaun Pinner (48 to Aslin's 28): https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 59814.html
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Re: Because I love raw info, two blogposts of backroom Russo-Ukrainian war Talk....

Post by ericbarbour » Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:38 am

a) the Aslin "interview" is obvious propaganda. Well made but still questionable.

b) notice the comments below the video. I guess Russians can still watch YT videos. And they're falling for this crap. Also they won't stop whining about the Azov Battalion. Cheap shot.

Why isn't anyone reporting this to YT management as political propaganda? Or did people already try, and were ignored?

And is there a Wikipedia angle? Hell yes. Aslin, an otherwise obscure "soldier of fortune", has has a WP bio since 2017. Massively expanded in the last four days by a mutant called Solipsism 101. Also grinding the Graham Phillips article.....
British barrister Geoffrey Robertson said the interview could be a violation of international, saying "coercive interrogation of prisoners of war for propaganda purposes is contrary to the Geneva Conventions". Legal experts said that Phillips may face a war crime prosecution and revocation of his British citizenship in response to the interview conducted with a prisoners of war. Additionally, former British Cabinet minister Damien Green said he is the modern-day equivalent of Lord Haw Haw, for his alleged support of the Russian propaganda campaign.[5]
Blah blah blah. Tell that to the thousands of Ukrainian civilians who were slaughtered by Russian troops "for the fun". Or god knows how many people in Donbass who have died in the past 8 years.

Wikipedia has one major special talent: to reduce the horrors of war and the misery of human politics to the idiot level of an internet forum squabble. "Wahhh wahhh Putin was mean to me" etc.

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Re: Because I love raw info, two blogposts of backroom Russo-Ukrainian war Talk....

Post by Strelnikov » Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:58 am

a) the Aslin "interview" is obvious propaganda. Well made but still questionable.

Philips' use of two cameras was clunky, he was almost shoving that camcorder down Aslin's throat in the first part of it. Unless that was part of an intimidation trick, and there are many that can be done with cameras*.....

b) notice the comments below the video. I guess Russians can still watch YT videos. And they're falling for this crap. Also they won't stop whining about the Azov Battalion. Cheap shot.

There are no blocks on Russians using YouTube. Even if there was, they would use VPNs to use the site. Azov, Aidar, Right (Pravii) Sektor have become the Waffen SS to the Russians in this war. That's why they talk about them.

Why isn't anyone reporting this to YT management as political propaganda? Or did people already try, and were ignored?

If you've seen what the Ukrainians (via their state TV channel's account) have been posting, I think YouTube has given up. Also this did not have the seal of the Russian government or the Luhansk/Donbass puppet governments -- Phillips can call this journalism. I saw it as more like yellow journalism than state propaganda.

"Additionally, former British Cabinet minister Damien Green said he is the modern-day equivalent of Lord Haw Haw, for his alleged support of the Russian propaganda campaign."

That's slightly over-the-top; William Joyce had his own show to rant at British shortwave radio listeners. Philips is now just a YouTube channel.
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Re: Because I love raw info, two blogposts of backroom Russo-Ukrainian war Talk....

Post by Strelnikov » Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:03 am

Take of a veteran Swiss intelligence officer: https://www.marxist.com/nato-lies-expos ... ks-out.htm

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Note from the editorial board: Today we are reproducing a pair of very important articles that blow sky high all the lying western propaganda that has surrounded the war in Ukraine from day one up to the present. The author of these remarkable documents is not a Marxist. Far from it. He is Jacques Baud, a former colonel in the Swiss army and ex-member of the Swiss Strategic Intelligence Service. He also worked for NATO, during and after the 2014 Ukraine crisis, following which he participated in programmes related to Ukraine.

We do not necessarily subscribe to every dot and comma in these articles, nor to anything else Baud may have written. But the very fact that this critique comes, not from a Marxist, but from a former high-ranking official of western intelligence and NATO, renders it a hundred times more valuable.

In their totality, these documents represent a devastating rebuttal of lies told in the western press about the Ukraine war. And they provide a striking confirmation of everything that marxist.com has been saying since the beginning of the conflict.

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.....In October 2015, Vasyl Hrytsak, director of the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU), confessed that only 56 Russian fighters had been observed in the Donbass. This was exactly comparable to the Swiss who went to fight in Bosnia on weekends, in the 1990s, or the French who go to fight in the Ukraine today.

The Ukrainian army was then in a deplorable state. In October 2018, after four years of war, the chief Ukrainian military prosecutor, Anatoly Matios, stated that Ukraine had lost 2,700 men in the Donbass: 891 from illnesses, 318 from road accidents, 177 from other accidents, 175 from poisonings (alcohol, drugs), 172 from careless handling of weapons, 101 from breaches of security regulations, 228 from murders and 615 from suicides.

In fact, the army was undermined by the corruption of its cadres and no longer enjoyed the support of the population. According to a British Home Office report, in the March/April 2014 recall of reservists, 70 percent did not show up for the first session, 80 percent for the second, 90 percent for the third, and 95 percent for the fourth. In October/November 2017, 70% of conscripts did not show up for the “Fall 2017” recall campaign. This is not counting suicides and desertions (often over to the autonomists), which reached up to 30 percent of the workforce in the ATO area. Young Ukrainians refused to go and fight in the Donbass and preferred emigration, which also explains, at least partially, the demographic deficit of the country.

The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense then turned to NATO to help make its armed forces more “attractive.” Having already worked on similar projects within the framework of the United Nations, I was asked by NATO to participate in a program to restore the image of the Ukrainian armed forces. But this is a long-term process and the Ukrainians wanted to move quickly.

So, to compensate for the lack of soldiers, the Ukrainian government resorted to paramilitary militias. They are essentially composed of foreign mercenaries, often extreme right-wing militants. In 2020, they constituted about 40 percent of the Ukrainian forces and numbered about 102,000 men, according to Reuters. They were armed, financed and trained by the United States, Great Britain, Canada and France. There were more than 19 nationalities—including Swiss.

Western countries have thus clearly created and supported Ukrainian far-right militias. In October 2021, the Jerusalem Post sounded the alarm by denouncing the Centuria project. These militias had been operating in the Donbass since 2014, with Western support. Even if one can argue about the term “Nazi,” the fact remains that these militias are violent, convey a nauseating ideology and are virulently anti-Semitic. Their anti-Semitism is more cultural than political, which is why the term “Nazi” is not really appropriate. Their hatred of the Jew stems from the great famines of the 1920s and 1930s in the Ukraine, resulting from Stalin’s confiscation of crops to finance the modernization of the Red Army. This genocide—known in the Ukraine as the Holodomor—was perpetrated by the NKVD (the forerunner of the KGB), whose upper echelons of leadership were mainly composed of Jews. This is why, today, Ukrainian extremists are asking Israel to apologize for the crimes of communism, as the Jerusalem Post notes. This is a far cry from Vladimir Putin’s “rewriting of history.”

These militias, originating from the far-right groups that animated the Euromaidan revolution in 2014, are composed of fanatical and brutal individuals. The best known of these is the Azov Regiment, whose emblem is reminiscent of the 2nd SS Das Reich Panzer Division, which is revered in the Ukraine for liberating Kharkov from the Soviets in 1943, before carrying out the 1944 Oradour-sur-Glane massacre in France.

Among the famous figures of the Azov regiment was the opponent Roman Protassevitch, arrested in 2021 by the Belarusian authorities following the case of RyanAir flight FR4978. On May 23, 2021, the deliberate hijacking of an airliner by a MiG-29—supposedly with Putin’s approval—was mentioned as a reason for arresting Protassevich, although the information available at the time did not confirm this scenario at all.

But then it was necessary to show that President Lukashenko was a thug and Protassevich a “journalist” who loved democracy. However, a rather revealing investigation produced by an American NGO in 2020 highlighted Protassevitch’s far-right militant activities. The Western conspiracy movement then started, and unscrupulous media “air-brushed” his biography. Finally, in January 2022, the ICAO report was published and showed that despite some procedural errors, Belarus acted in accordance with the rules in force and that the MiG-29 took off 15 minutes after the RyanAir pilot decided to land in Minsk. So no Belarusian plot and even less Putin. Ah!… Another detail: Protassevitch, cruelly tortured by the Belarusian police, was now free. Those who would like to correspond with him, can go on his Twitter account.

The characterization of the Ukrainian paramilitaries as “Nazis” or “neo-Nazis” is considered Russian propaganda. Perhaps. But that’s not the view of the Times of Israel, the Simon Wiesenthal Center or the West Point Academy’s Center for Counterterrorism. But that’s still debatable, because in 2014, Newsweek magazine seemed to associate them more with… the Islamic State. Take your pick!

So, the West supported and continued to arm militias that have been guilty of numerous crimes against civilian populations since 2014: rape, torture and massacres. But while the Swiss government has been very quick to take sanctions against Russia, it has not adopted any against the Ukraine, which has been massacring its own population since 2014. In fact, those who defend human rights in the Ukraine have long condemned the actions of these groups, but have not been supported by our governments. Because, in reality, we are not trying to help the Ukraine, but to fight Russia.....
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Re: Because I love raw info, two blogposts of backroom Russo-Ukrainian war Talk....

Post by ericbarbour » Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:06 am

Strelnikov wrote:
Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:03 am
So, to compensate for the lack of soldiers, the Ukrainian government resorted to paramilitary militias. They are essentially composed of foreign mercenaries, often extreme right-wing militants. In 2020, they constituted about 40 percent of the Ukrainian forces and numbered about 102,000 men, according to Reuters. They were armed, financed and trained by the United States, Great Britain, Canada and France. There were more than 19 nationalities—including Swiss.
That has always been a major problem with fighting "proxy wars" using mercenaries. Most of them are batshit crazy violence-porn manchildren and have a strong tendency to be unreliable and unwilling to take orders in the field. Always been like that. And yeah, both Ukraine and Russia have major problems with corruption so neither one can claim "moral high ground". Meanwhile, civilians are still being murdered and women are still being raped. Regardless of who's doing it and which side they're on.

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