ericbarbour wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 10:41 pm
Ognistysztorm wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:51 pm
It's interesting to see that Wikipedia hardcore defenders and Polish nationalists are badgering discussions on Twitter et al to try to deflect the topic to Icewhiz. Perhaps they all should be allowed to fail hard this time.
Links to a couple of examples would be helpful
Cla68 wrote:This Poland and the Holocaust issue is forcing ArbCom, and by extension, all of WP's admins to finally face this reality. ArbCom is going to try to weasel out of it with this case, but they won't be able to.
They have successfully weaseled their way around this issue many times in the past. Arbcom are an example of the most perverse of institutions, a left-leaning reactionary exclusionary activist group. Might as well call themselves the "Politburo" and be honest.
Because they got away with avoiding Holocaust squabbles before, and because they have a cult protecting them, they figure they can always slime their way around related content editwars. Just ban somebody and keep screeching "WE DO NOT ADJUDICATE CONTENT ISSUES" blah blah. No one on their stupid website will effectively oppose them, because they can always toss "troublemakers" off their site.
I'm not sure the arbitrators understand the position they're in right now. If they refuse to "fix" the content issues in the Poland-and-the-Holocaust suite of articles, then they will infuriate a sizeable portion of the Western world, especially if the mainstream media picks it up, and the institutions those people belong to will come after the arbitrators. May God have mercy on their souls if that happens.
However, if they do base their decision on adjudicating a content dispute, then they've set a precedent. Once they do that, I encourage all editors experiencing protracted and severe content disputes, especially with any of the other pernicious POV cabals in Wikipedia, to immediately start bombarding ArbCom and the Admin noticeboards with requests (demands) for the admins to adjudicate THEIR content dispute just like ArbCom did with the Poland one.
What will then likely happen is that the admins will ignore the requests and/or try to explain that ArbCom did not actually adjudicate a content dispute, "what they really did was yada, yada, yada..." Then, the Poland History editors will have standing to sue the pants off the arbitrators and the WMF. All the other editors involved in content disputes will also have standing to sue.
In the case of the Poland editors, they'll have standing because ArbCom sanctioned them based on content issues, but haven't done it to any other editors in spite of being asked repeatedly to do so. The other editors will have standing because WP's admin corps, including ArbCom, won't adjudicate their content dispute, but they did in the case of Poland. Multiple subpoenas will hit the offices of the WMF, who will give up the IP addresses of the arbitrators and other admins so they can be dragged into court. Doesn't the WMF keep a file with the real names and addresses of all the arbitrators?
