Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by Bbb23sucks » Fri May 26, 2023 1:23 am

SkepticalHistorian wrote:
Fri May 26, 2023 1:22 am
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Fri May 26, 2023 12:13 am
Someone should climb up the Golden Gate Bridge to unfurl a big banner that says "Wikipedia distorts Holocaust!"
Haha, viewers will think the climber is a Holocaust denier; of course Wikipedia distorts the Holocaust, facts are “fringe” and illegal in many countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_ ... ust_denial
The Holocaust did happen. The issue we have is that some Wikipedians deny that some people were complicit in it.
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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by boredbird » Fri May 26, 2023 4:30 am

SkepticalHistorian wrote:
Fri May 26, 2023 1:22 am
Haha, viewers will think the climber is a Holocaust denier; of course Wikipedia distorts the Holocaust, facts are “fringe” and illegal in many countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_ ... ust_denial
There you go again.

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by sashi » Sat May 27, 2023 5:47 pm

I think it was boredbird who was convinced that ArbCom was making a mistake in how they treated Piotrus.

Here is a removal of content that popped up on my watchlist. Piotrus's edit summary: " I don't think this is correct - not seeing this particular law mentioned in the cited source?"
Piotrus' deletion wrote:In 2019, his niece Filomena Leszczyńska sued Professors Engelking and Grabowski, the book's editors, under the controversial [[Amendment to the Act on the Institute of National Remembrance]] (better known as the Holocaust Law), in Warsaw Regional Court for [[defaming]] Malinowski.
It is not difficult at all to find that on pages 143-144, the source talks about that amendment in depth, in particular about how it opened researchers up to being sued in civil court.
the source wrote:The amendment to the so-called “Holocaust law” (actually changes to the law on the IPN, the Institute of National Memory) were voted into force by both the Sejm and the Senate and signed into force by President Andrzej Duda in January 2018. In a gesture of compromise towards Israel, potential criminal responsibility for claiming Polish compliance in the Holocaust was removed from the amendment. At the same time, the exemption of artistic or academic activity was removed, and those became open to (civil) lawsuits by the IPN or classified NGOs such as the League.

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Just this week 380+ researchers signed a tribune in Le Monde (§) about the Polish government's decision to reduce financing for the Polish Center for Holocaust Research (the publisher of the book Piotrus is writing about).

A coincidence, surely, that Piotrus is right back to erasing parts of an entry about his nemesis' book (after fighting with him in Gazeta Wyborcza.) :lol:

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by ericbarbour » Sat May 27, 2023 10:01 pm

sashi wrote:
Sat May 27, 2023 5:47 pm
A coincidence, surely, that Piotrus is right back to erasing parts of an entry about his nemesis' book (after fighting with him in Gazeta Wyborcza.) :lol:
He's done similar nonsense before and GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT. Someone very powerful in the Idiot-Wiki-Verse is protecting him. All kinds of "policies" do not apply to him anymore. WP:TOOLMISUSE, WP:INVOVLED, WP:RAAA, WP:BIAS, WP:WORLDVIEW, on and on.

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by boredbird » Sun May 28, 2023 12:55 am

ericbarbour wrote:
Sat May 27, 2023 10:01 pm
He's done similar nonsense before and GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT. Someone very powerful in the Idiot-Wiki-Verse is protecting him.
That would be the Wikimedia Foundation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... 1145264895

This in return for many years of promoting Wikipedia in the university as a substitute for academic scholarship.
Wikimedia Foundation wrote: His sense of purpose drove him to make massive quality contributions online and to help recruit editors, especially from universities, where he was one of the very first educators to assign students Wikipedia editing tasks.
“There are many ways to make the world better,” says Konieczny, “and volunteering is prominent here. While there are many worthy cases, creating educational content on Wikipedia is the best way to educate the world’s populace.

Konieczny has been assigning his students Wikipedia editing tasks since 2006, long before the idea of using Wikipedia as a teaching tool would become as popular as it is today.

“I was not the first” to use Wikipedia in education, says Konieczny, pointing to a list of school and university projects that has been extant since 2003, but he’s been doing it “with scarcely a break in 10 years.
https://diff.wikimedia.org/2016/11/28/piotrus/

etc. etc.

Did he assign anyone to write about the Holocaust in Poland? Has anyone bothered to check? Course he's got that mailing list and maybe he's giving assignments there too. Sort of his own Glaukopis Institute.

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by sashi » Wed May 31, 2023 8:49 pm

Looks like this is making the rounds of Southern California & Bay area papers:

https://www.siliconvalley.com/2023/05/3 ... misinform/
https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/05/30/ ... misinform/
...
etc.

(h/t Tarantino)

Rajgród

The author specifically mentions the efforts to remove mention of the Holocaust Law in other entries (though she misses that the Holocaust Law only allows for civil lawsuits -- like the one brought against Grabowski & Engelking -- after complaints from the US State Department and the Israeli government about the provisions signed into law in 2018 allowing criminal prosecution). The journalist apparently also doesn't read Wikipedia Sucks or she would be aware that the pattern is ongoing after the ArbCom case. :o ;)

Meanwhile in Poland, things are heating up.

https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/05/31/ ... in-warsaw/

https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/05/10/ ... t-scholar/

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by boredbird » Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:45 am

This is an excellent article. The Wikilusers will always say "but they don't understand Wikipedia." No, they understand it perfectly, and unlike the Wikilusers they understand the specific nature of the Holocaust content distortion and why it's being done.
Teri Sforza wrote: Consider: GizzyCatBella was topic-banned in June 2018 for falsifying information. “GizzyCatBella removes an apparently reliably sourced mention of an anti-Jewish pogrom in WWII Poland. Instead, GizzyCatBella ascribes a 1939 deportation of ‘ethnic Polish families’ to ‘Jewish communists’ and ‘Jewish militia,’ ” Wiki administrator Sandstein wrote at the time. “I’m by no means knowledgeable about the history of this place and period, but this strikes me as very surprising to say the least, and would need very good sourcing…. I suspect that GizzyCatBella is using Wikipedia for anti-Semitic propaganda by misrepresenting sources.

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by ericbarbour » Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:31 am

sashi wrote:
Wed May 31, 2023 8:49 pm
The journalist apparently also doesn't read Wikipedia Sucks or she would be aware that the pattern is ongoing after the ArbCom case.
Good luck getting a large number of journalists to look SERIOUSLY into WP scandals. I, and various others, have been trying for 10+ years. The only major shitshow to receive this level of media attention, at least since 2013, was Qworty. They couldn't ignore that, baby, not after the Salon article ran.

What was Andrew Leonard's "reward" for publishing a major item about a WP editing scandal? Read the talkpage for his WP bio and draw your own conclusions.

The WMF and WP insiders get away, every year, with all kinds of stupidity, bad content, and abuse. And I still suspect it's partly because so many lazy and mediocre journalists routinely use and trust WP for fact checking. Fast, easy and free win out over "accuracy". No wonder so many reasonable people find the "mainstream media" to be problematic. The extreme right and left have already decided it's all corrupt propaganda--just can't agree what kind.

Maybe the outrage over this in Israel and with Jewish activists will finally stir up some dirty waters? We have been down this shitriver before. I will believe it when, and ONLY when, they finally do something serious about Piotrus and the other EEML "inside pool" players.

How many more scandals like this are required?

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by ericbarbour » Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:45 am

PS: Teri Sforza doesn't have a Wikipedia BLP......yet.

Watch this space for (stupid and penny-ante) action. Chances are better than 50-50 that someone will start a "revenge bio".

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by Bbb23sucks » Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:48 am

ericbarbour wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:45 am
PS: Teri Sforza doesn't have a Wikipedia BLP......yet.

Watch this space for (stupid and penny-ante) action. Chances are better than 50-50 that someone will start a "revenge bio".
She also wrote an article critical of Ayn Rand
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