Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by Ognistysztorm » Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:44 am

ericbarbour wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:31 am
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The journalist apparently also doesn't read Wikipedia Sucks or she would be aware that the pattern is ongoing after the ArbCom case.
Good luck getting a large number of journalists to look SERIOUSLY into WP scandals. I, and various others, have been trying for 10+ years. The only major shitshow to receive this level of media attention, at least since 2013, was Qworty. They couldn't ignore that, baby, not after the Salon article ran.

What was Andrew Leonard's "reward" for publishing a major item about a WP editing scandal? Read the talkpage for his WP bio and draw your own conclusions.

The WMF and WP insiders get away, every year, with all kinds of stupidity, bad content, and abuse. And I still suspect it's partly because so many lazy and mediocre journalists routinely use and trust WP for fact checking. Fast, easy and free win out over "accuracy". No wonder so many reasonable people find the "mainstream media" to be problematic. The extreme right and left have already decided it's all corrupt propaganda--just can't agree what kind.

Maybe the outrage over this in Israel and with Jewish activists will finally stir up some dirty waters? We have been down this shitriver before. I will believe it when, and ONLY when, they finally do something serious about Piotrus and the other EEML "inside pool" players.

How many more scandals like this are required?
ericbarbour wrote:
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PS: Teri Sforza doesn't have a Wikipedia BLP......yet.

Watch this space for (stupid and penny-ante) action. Chances are better than 50-50 that someone will start a "revenge bio".
Now that Jewish activists and previously, Anonymous is in the business of stirring dirty waters against Wikipedia, is it going to take a Cosmo the God grade hack of many websites and frontpages across the world with details of shenanigans and redirects to either here or Wikipediocracy, for people to start paying attention at Wikipedia and treat it as if it's just another evil corp like Theranos and so on? Heck it could be coupled with some graffiti on famous landmarks and billboards, although god forbid a major tragedy has to occur in order to push Wiki-scepticism into the mainstream.

Ironically if they put up the revenge bio, the chance of Jennsaurus getting her story out will increase by a lot.

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by Bbb23sucks » Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:39 pm

Someone created a draft article about the paper, though it appears that it has been abandoned.
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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by adamovicm » Fri Jun 02, 2023 4:12 pm

It seems that this research article wasn't covered in major newspapers. Does anyone want to try to introduce/pitch the story to some US-UK-whatever based journalists?

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by Ognistysztorm » Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:36 am

As of time of writing, this has garnered enough votes to get into Reddit's front page.

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comm ... led_after/

For the first time ever, I see that Wikipedia criticism comments get their deserved chances, instead of drone-mode downvotes.

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by sashi » Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:15 am

Since the WPO thread has been locked, I should perhaps revisit the question posted above of whether or not the Holocaust Law was in fact used in the lawsuit over Dalej jest noc as suggested by the following citation:
Piotr Wawrzeniuk wrote: In the case of Grabowski and Engelking, a civil lawsuit was filed by the Polish Anti-Defamation League on behalf of Filomena Leszczyńska.
After I posted this at WPO, Volunteer Marek popped in with his bazooka and bullhorn to discredit everything about the matter, defaming me, accusing Wawrzeniuk of *insinuating* that the Holocaust Law was the basis of the case, when in fact it wasn't, and saying that Wawrzeniuk was publishing in a monthly newspaper called the Baltic Times.
Volunteer Marek wrote:The source in question here, "Baltic times", does try to insinuate a connection but it does not explicitly link the two and really that kind of rhetorical trickery just says more about the source than the situation.
Starting in inverse order: the article is in fact published in Baltic Worlds, which describes itself as a "scholarly journal from the Centre for Baltic and East European Studies (CBEES) Södertörn University, Stockholm" §.

Research done by a fellow traveler suggests that Marek and Piotrus are indeed technically correct if Wawrzeniuk is incorrect about the above statement. According to the Polish Anti-Defamation League's website they contacted the 80-year-old Filomena whose long-dead uncle had allegedly been defamed and whose suffering began when she heard about the case on Polish radio broadcasts. Though they don't say (all) this, one can infer that they encouraged her to file a lawsuit herself by agreeing to cover all legal expenses after being the proximate cause of her hearing about the matter in the first place on Polish radio...
This means *she* (rather than the State Treasury) would have recovered any financial payout to make her final days a bit more comfortable.
Holocaust Law wrote:Article 53o. Protecting the reputation of the Republic of Poland and the Polish Nation shall be governed by the provisions of the Civil Code Act of 23 April 1964 (Polish Journal of Laws of 2016, items 380, 585 and 1579) on the protection of personal rights. A court action aimed at protecting the Republic of Poland’s or the Polish Nation’s reputation may be brought by a non-governmental organisation within the remit of its statutory activities. Any resulting compensation or damages shall be awarded to the State Treasury.

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While Piotrus is obviously incorrect about whether the source discusses the Holocaust Law or not, he and Marek indeed appear to be technically correct that the case was not "based" on the law, since RDI found a still-living relative to file the case in their stead. As the person who contacted me pointed out, the Grabowski-Engelking case is discussed in the context of a similar Polish SLAPP suit making use of the so-called Holocaust Law in one of the essays in the Georgetown law 2022 graduating class project: (pdf pp. 210-213)

My apologies for citing a scholarly work here that appears to have contained an inaccuracy about this SLAPP suit which was instigated and financed, but apparently not filed, by Reduta.

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To fix Wikipedia's Holocaust denial, we must start by naming names

Post by Bbb23sucks » Sun Jul 02, 2023 1:17 am

From the the other forum:

https://forward.com/opinion/552514/to-f ... ing-names/
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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by Ognistysztorm » Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:05 pm

Shira Klein went to Yad Vashem to present the research.
https://twitter.com/DrShiraKlein/status ... 4296293382

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Re: To fix Wikipedia's Holocaust denial, we must start by naming names

Post by ericbarbour » Sun Jul 16, 2023 6:59 pm

https://forward.com/opinion/552514/to-f ... ing-names/
Who gets their jollies doing this stuff?
Insane nerds, sir. The same kinds of nerds who worship Chris-Chan, obsess over videogames, and shitpost on 4chan. And the insiders CATER to them. Because if they did anything SERIOUS to stop bullshitters, participation would drop to near-zero.
Shira Klein went to Yad Vashem to present the research.
https://twitter.com/DrShiraKlein/status ... 4296293382
Doesn't appear as if it had much impact.

This story started to appear in Israeli and other Jewish media in February. And apart from the Slate article and a few other mentions, it has stayed there. The Wikitards are pretending it isn't happening, as usual. Waiting for the storm to blow over so they can get back to The Usual Business. Since WP has a long history of Jewish and anti-Jewish extremists editwarring content, this won't blow over quickly.


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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by Cla68 » Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:08 pm

So, have the historical distortions been removed from or corrected in the Polish Holocaust articles?

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