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Wikipedia is dying, slowly

Post by Boink Boink » Thu May 18, 2023 11:01 am

I was quite pleased to see this report.....

https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikim ... undraising

It seems Wikipedia is (slowly) losing its traditional revenue stream, small donations raised through banner campaigns, and sending emails to past donors marks.

Despite being mature now (since they always feared donations might dry up eventually), the hopes for alternative revenue streams such as Enterprise (getting into bed with Big Tech) and Endowment (getting into bed with rich people and Wall Street) bridging the gap, seem to be misplaced. There is lots of uncertainty. You can feel the panic growing.

The future looks so bleak already, quite unbelievably, the WMF are actually making budget cuts! This is coming from the staffing budget. They're trying to make out this is about protecting the grants and other initiatives that fund volunteers, which they are actually increasing, but in reality it's because in the massively bloated WMF, staffing costs are their single biggest outgoing by a country mile.

A few things seem to be causing this slow but inevitable death......

* Young people are viewing Wikipedia less (so they don't see the begging bowl)
* Those who do see it, have less and less trust in the "brand" (lol)
* More honest wording in banners and emails mean campaigns are less effective because they're more annoying
* Killer global inflation means that just to stand still, revenues have to grow.

How ironic to think that, some way down the line, adjusting their banner wording away from transparently false claims Wikipedia needs your "cup of coffee" or it will DIE, might actually be the reason Wikipedia eventually DIES.

Worth highlighting this part....
brand health is weak among young audiences in our key revenue countries, presenting long term fundraising challenges. 18−24-year-olds are generally less likely to consider the brand, use it, or recommend it to their friends. This is the case across all markets, with particular issues in the United States, Germany, and South Africa, where most young people wouldn't recommend the brand
Young people have an increasingly negative perception of Wikipedia? Google will be very alarmed to hear that. As will Amazon, and anyone else being asked to pay millions of dollars for preferential access to Wikipedia's data on the basis this is the way they can more reliably make money out of young people. The WMF might want to pay attention to it as well, In case it is precisely because of their moves to become Big Tech's favourite charity whore, that is the reason for this decreasing reputation.

Rather than addressing this alarming peek into their future, Wkipedia has a completely different strategy......
A planned gift, or a legacy gift, is a contribution of any amount that is agreed to in the present and given at a future date. These gifts are often made through a will; they can also be made through life insurance policies, retirement accounts, bank or brokerage accounts. We receive, on average, 183 times more funds from donors via legacy gifts than via all the gifts those same donors contribute during their lifetimes. Planned giving is a long-term investment with a higher return on investment than any other fundraising effort. By adding new planned giving revenue streams, we can build up a pipeline of commitments that will come to fruition in stages over the coming years. By 2050, planned gifts could be the primary funding source for the Endowment.
So basically Wikipedia is relying on emails to Generation Boomer asking them to remember Wikipedia in their wills. If that becomes widely known, it will obviously only further harm the "brand" among young people.

This is all very encouraging. Persuading the mugs who donate to Wikipedia in small but sufficient numbers to stop it dying, was always going to be an uphill struggle. As we can see, these people were young and stupid. Whether it's Trump or AI or plain old Google to blame for their growing abandonment and indeed mistrust of Wikipedia, it hardly matters.

Switching to Enterprise and Endowment as their primary revenue streams, carries much bigger risk. Now you can see that it might only take one mistake by the WMF, or one decision by a Big Tech executive, to completely destroy the funding model of Wikipedia. Until now, due to the donation model, they could stumble and even make massive mistakes, without barely a ripple in the bottom line.

As we all know, the WMF lacks the professionalism to avoid these potential pitfalls. Their old plan was that the Endowment was a mere safety net. It is now already being used for strategic funding, and yet the doomsday scenario it was built for, has barely even arrived. Donations are down, but not by much. But it is clearly enough to set the alarm bells ringing. Wikipedia raised $10m less from banners and related emails in 2022. The Endowment is already paying out sums as large as $3.2m to support strategic (read: survival) spending for 2022-23.

Cutting staff, and needing more of the remainder to devote their time to fundraising by badgering Boomers for their children's inheritance or sucking Big Tech's dick, of course only increases the likelihood of a screwup. Especially since Wikipedia is facing increasing burdens that only paid staff can deal with, such as increase efforts to regulate the internet.

Barring a miracle, the death of Wikipedia (as an independent charity with lofty goals and purity of execution) now seems inevitable. If it survives at all, it will be Big Tech's BITCH, or beholden to the whims of very rich activist Americans, or both. Things that only make it even more inevitable that it's falling reputation leads to falling numbers of editors which in turn means Big Tech or Uncle Obama have even less reason to see Wikipedia as a something worth backing.

The end could be closer than they think. And certainly closer than they have planned for.

If it comes to it, and they make one last desperate plea for money, will anyone believe them?

Will anyone even notice?

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Re: Wikipedia is dying, slowly

Post by Bbb23sucks » Thu May 18, 2023 11:12 am

[…] to replace the "leap of faith" our donors must currently make with demonstrable bona fides of our impact.
The WMF's impact
Boink Boink wrote: So basically Wikipedia is relying on emails to Generation Boomer asking them to remember Wikipedia in their wills. If that becomes widely known, it will obviously only further harm the "brand" among young people.
Next Wikipedia scandal?
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Re: Wikipedia is dying, slowly

Post by Boink Boink » Thu May 18, 2023 2:42 pm

We must better show causality and impact and prove that our work is actually "moving the needle" on Wikimedia projects, to replace the "leap of faith" our donors must currently make with demonstrable bona fides of our impact. We must also better develop directed gifts as part of our multi-year plans, to make large donations more meaningful and transformative, and develop the internal discipline and accountability processes to honor our commitments. To develop a culture of philanthropy, we must tell our story better to donors, and develop accessible materials and multimedia campaigns for the general public that explain the basics of how our projects and communities work.
Generation Boomer isn't that stupid. Not the rich enough to be philanthropist ones anyway.

Sitting in on a slideshow where the WMF tries to convince Bill Gates that that putting X mi!lions dollars into Wikipedia results in X million dollars worth of philanthropic benefit would be pretty fucking hilarious.

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Re: Wikipedia is dying, slowly

Post by Boink Boink » Thu May 18, 2023 3:09 pm

I wonder if it was the developers that killed Wikipedia? Now that we know it's the young people who have lost faith in the brand, putting the revenue model in doubt, the obvious question is why? They don't seek it out, they don't respect It and they wouldn't recommend it.

I wonder if it's Mobile View. This certainly makes it easier to read Wikipedia. But it makes It incredibly difficult to understand what is going on in the back office areas. They only let you even see a handful of previous edits and a few recent talk page sections. Compared to what you can quickly discern in Desktop View (if you can even figure out how to get it) such as the entire current talk late and the last 50 edits, which of course has always been readable and navigable even on the smallest devices, it's a paltry alternative.

The difference between peeking through the keyhole and being invited in to have a look around.

If you can't easily see what is going on behind the scenes, how can you have trust in Wikipedia?

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Re: Wikipedia is dying, slowly

Post by Ognistysztorm » Fri May 19, 2023 10:01 pm

It isn't really going to "die slowly", it's more than that, due to the Holocaust distortion scandal and another scandal. At least people like Kumioko will finally rest easy as they are gonna be vindicated.

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Re: Wikipedia is dying, slowly

Post by ericbarbour » Sat May 20, 2023 1:04 am

I thought this was funny. And it's REALLY bad news. They are pissing off young people. Probably because word got around that editing WP is a nightmare, as well as having biased and badly-managed content.
Additionally, brand health is weak among young audiences in our key revenue countries, presenting long term fundraising challenges. 18−24-year-olds are generally less likely to consider the brand, use it, or recommend it to their friends. This is the case across all markets, with particular issues in the United States, Germany, and South Africa, where most young people wouldn't recommend the brand.
Also note the chart that shows how popular WMF projects continue to be -- in India. Don't be terribly surprised if they move to India in the near future, because "the rest of the english-speaking world hates us" or somesuch. YOU DID IT TO YOURSELVES, SHITHEADS.

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Re: Wikipedia is dying, slowly

Post by Kumioko » Wed May 24, 2023 8:50 am

Ognistysztorm wrote:
Fri May 19, 2023 10:01 pm
It isn't really going to "die slowly", it's more than that, due to the Holocaust distortion scandal and another scandal. At least people like Kumioko will finally rest easy as they are gonna be vindicated.
If people can keep wikipedia in the news with discrediting things like this, eventually its going to collapse. Its already showing signs of issues like low admin participation, low retention, low recruitment, etc.
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Re: Wikipedia is dying, slowly

Post by Ognistysztorm » Wed May 24, 2023 9:07 pm

Kumioko wrote:
Wed May 24, 2023 8:50 am
Ognistysztorm wrote:
Fri May 19, 2023 10:01 pm
It isn't really going to "die slowly", it's more than that, due to the Holocaust distortion scandal and another scandal. At least people like Kumioko will finally rest easy as they are gonna be vindicated.
If people can keep wikipedia in the news with discrediting things like this, eventually its going to collapse. Its already showing signs of issues like low admin participation, low retention, low recruitment, etc.
The biggest shot is to get JJ McCullough to do many videos about Wikipedia.

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Re: Wikipedia is dying, slowly

Post by Kumioko » Wed May 24, 2023 9:19 pm

Also TD adler and Andreas Kolbe as well.
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Re: Wikipedia is dying, slowly

Post by Ognistysztorm » Wed May 24, 2023 9:35 pm

Kumioko wrote:
Wed May 24, 2023 9:19 pm
Also TD adler and Andreas Kolbe as well.
TD adler is in Breitbart which means that the mainstream could never take him seriously. Andreas Kolbe's reach is far smaller than both JJ and TD.

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