Gonzalo Lira 5th AFD

[badmachine]

the afd was closed by The Wordsmith as no consensus after 120kb worth of squabbling.

[ericbarbour]

the afd was closed by The Wordsmith as no consensus after 120kb worth of squabbling.

Any bets on how long until some seemingly-random idiot tries again?

[journo]

the afd was closed by The Wordsmith as no consensus after 120kb worth of squabbling.

Any bets on how long until some seemingly-random idiot tries again?

Even keeping out the WP:SPAs, the final Lira AFD tally was 28 keeps to 10 deletes. I know AFDs aren't supposed to be a vote but given how many editors participated this time, that's a close to a consensus as one that'll ever come on that article.

No admin would even close the topic until a rare delete vote came in suggesting there be *another* AFD in a few years. Nasty place.

[ericbarbour]

Nasty place.

That's why this forum, and several previous forums, have existed. Wikipedia is a masterpiece of falsehood. They have literal terabytes of public arguing to wave around and scream "see how open we are??". Meanwhile the evil plotting and manipulation happens on secret IRC channels or in private messages. THAT is where Wikipedia really runs, and they aren't even competent there.