Katherine Maher Named C.E.O. of NPR

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Re: Katherine Maher Named C.E.O. of NPR

Post by ericbarbour » Mon Apr 22, 2024 9:16 pm

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Well he is. Apparently he was that but then decided that he would get more attention in politics despite knowing nothing about politics. He somehow managed to get himself in a debate on Israel/Palestine between serious experts. He was completely destroyed during the debate and was actually mocked for his repeated citing of Wikipedia. More info: https://old.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comm ... orris_and/
Ah, I should have checked for a WP article. It explains a lot of ugliness. Game streaming attracts so many arrogant douches and fools. He should probably stick to grinding Starcraft II. Seems like a bit of a flake to me but your mileage will vary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destiny_(streamer)

This also reminds me: Finkelstein is one of the world's most prominent Israel critics. Which explains the ongoing 20-year brutal editwar over his article. A moderately obscure figure otherwise.....with a 121kbyte article. Some American presidents don't have an article this long. Even back in 2003, when it was created, assorted fools were mechanically reverting each other. Read the talkpage spluttering for extra "lulz"---but hold your nose while reading. Every Israel-First type on WP has fought like a rabid weasel over it. Most of them gave up years ago, but were duly replaced by more sockpuppets. The inevitable result: long, incoherent, and almost useless. Nice example of Wikipedia failing its remit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Finkelstein
Will it make search engines take Wikipedia off their first results? No? Then it'll continue fine
The point has been made before: a serious decline in Wikipedia's importance won't happen until Google, the world's most dominant search engine for 20 years, spirals down first. Without the automatic referrals from Google, WP will suffer a severe downturn.

Google/Alphabet have been the largest advertising agency-thing in the world for almost as long. The only way they will collapse is if they run themselves into bankruptcy (unlikely), or the Feds finally decide to force their breakup with an antitrust action. Good luck with that.
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Re: Katherine Maher Named C.E.O. of NPR

Post by Ognistysztorm » Fri Apr 26, 2024 11:52 am

gnngl wrote:
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Just like the last 20 fiascos
Except unlike let's say 2012 or 2017, many bad news about Wikipedia just keep coming out frequently, as if they are finally going to be taken seriously by the mainstream after so many years of neglect and apathy.
Will it make search engines take Wikipedia off their first results? No? Then it'll continue fine
Of course, since that alone is insufficient by itself to push the situation to the tipping point. But lately there's been an avalanche of scandals already such as pro-Iranian distortions and so on, and already there are signs of change in Google's Youtube that they are beginning to use other sources such as Britannica in their context boxes.

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Re: Katherine Maher Named C.E.O. of NPR

Post by ericbarbour » Fri Apr 26, 2024 8:50 pm

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Of course, since that alone is insufficient by itself to push the situation to the tipping point. But lately there's been an avalanche of scandals already such as pro-Iranian distortions and so on, and already there are signs of change in Google's Youtube that they are beginning to use other sources such as Britannica in their context boxes.
Worse; they are starting to provide subject summaries with their search results. Assembled by an AI and often scraping from WP content. WITHOUT saying where the summary originated.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/15/2383 ... chrome-sge

Wanna see something even funnier? The Tedium blog mentioned the Uri Berliner article--without saying ANYTHING about Maher. But it does compare Berliner to the movie Bulworth. Clever way to trivialize the whole thing.
https://tedium.co/2024/04/17/uri-berlin ... ntroversy/

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Re: Katherine Maher Named C.E.O. of NPR

Post by gnngl » Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:38 am

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already there are signs of change in Google's Youtube that they are beginning to use other sources such as Britannica in their context boxes.
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Re: Katherine Maher Named C.E.O. of NPR

Post by ericbarbour » Thu May 02, 2024 3:56 am

Okay dudes and dudeoids......it's been about 2 weeks since the stink.

She made the New York Times. Though it's not exactly good news. And these Republican congressfolks probably aren't going to accomplish anything but set up a flea circus for the world's media to laugh at. In the 1970s, a Congressional hearing was SRS BSNS. Today it's usually partisan grandstanding and pointless bullshit. (IMO) Will they yank NPR's federal funding? Doubtful.

"Republicans Call on NPR’s C.E.O. to Testify About Political Bias Accusations"
A trio of Republican lawmakers — Representatives Cathy McMorris Rodgers of Washington, Bob Latta of Ohio and Morgan Griffith of Virginia — sent a six-page letter to Ms. Maher that notified her of an investigation into the network and requested her appearance on May 8.
“As a taxpayer funded, public radio organization, NPR should focus on fair and objective news reporting that both considers and reflects the views of the larger U.S. population and not just a niche audience,” the letter said.
The lawmakers, all members of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, said the hearing would be held by the panel’s oversight subcommittee.
NPR declined to comment, but Ms. Maher may have a scheduling conflict. According to an agenda of NPR’s upcoming board of directors meeting, Ms. Maher is scheduled to convene with NPR’s board all day on May 8.
OH HOW CONVENIENTLY CONVENIENT
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Re: Katherine Maher Named C.E.O. of NPR

Post by boredbird » Thu May 02, 2024 8:10 am

Here's Molly's campaign ad for Maher.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFkL4ME-8dQ

Worst performance I've seen from her so far. She comes across as patronizing, unpleasant and uninteresting. She looks tired and cranky, with no hint of the low-key energy and understated enthusiasm with which she discussed crypto shenanigans, not with any great insight but the point of media is being enjoyable to watch, and she isn't here.

It's a paid placement, tightly scripted with lots of weird cuts they did their best to hide, suggesting that multiple takes were required for many of these lines. and they couldn't get even one clean run through the whole thing. Acting isn't easy.

This isn't likely to convince anyone of anything.

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Re: Katherine Maher Named C.E.O. of NPR

Post by Kraken » Thu May 02, 2024 10:38 am

Molly is a left wing hack, and videos like that prove it beyond doubt.

The BBC is a very high profile example of how a public broadcaster can have a CEO with obvious political opinions but can also be widely trusted as a neutral media outlet. How? In part by being accountable to a strong regulator. And in part because in pursuit of its mission, that CEO is giving strong editorial direction from the very top, including a very clear policy on Tweeting. It works. The BBC is globally respected and feared by repressive regimes the world over.

Why is Molly seemingly entirely unaware of this? Because it doesn't suit her narrative. Or she's pig ignorant of the world around her. Either would be a good reason to explain why she is a Wikimedian rather than a journalist or respected commentator.

She puts great emphasis on context, which is fine. But does she practice what she preaches? No. In her most recent act as a "Wikimedian", asking for Administrative action against the "sexist" Chris Troutman, did she make it clear to the community he had already been dealt with by two other Administrators who had successfully extracted an admission of wrong doing and a commitment not to repeat the behaviour? Which is all that Wikipedia policy demands. As she would know in her position. No, she did not.

And did she provide the context that she wasn't making this request as if she had just randomly stumbled upon the offence with no prior opinion of Chris? No she did not. She did not reveal the highly pertinent information that on that very same day, only fifteen or so minutes before she made that request, she had been arguing on the same internal page of Wikipedia about the NPR/Maher controversy as Chris about whether it merited coverage as a story in Wikipedia's internal newsletter. And she was coming at it from the opposite end of the argument as Chris. So if this video proves anything, it's that she had a clear and obvious motive for not making this context clear.

Last but not least, in her explanations of verifiability not truth, she omits the most relevant context. How can you ever hope to produce a neutral encyclopedia that way, when the people driving what is and is not a reliable source and what is worthy of significant weight, is being determined by a community with really rather large systemic biases. Inequalities that it is doing little or indeed nothing to correct. If anything, it is encouraging them through self selection as a minimum, and active activism as a maximum.

Yes, Wikipedia is very white and male, but Wikipedia also skews to the left and to the Amerocentric POV. Survey after survey has shown there are far more minority editors as a percentage of the Wikipedia community than there are in America. Except black people obviously. And a recent survey showed Wikipedia users don't just trend slightly to the left, it's a really rather pronounced left wing bias. White guilt. The survey was probably even skewed to make that bias less pronounced precisely because many of its far left editors clearly thought it would helpful to their cause to lie and identify as "far right". As if people would be stupid enough to really believe 25% of Wikipedia users were "far right" but virtually nobody is moderately right wing or centrist. This is now thick the far left is. This is how thick Molly thinks people are.

These systemic biases have very clear and obvious effects on their ability to practice verifiability not truth.

Regardless of truth, for the purposes of Wikipedia, it is verifiable with gold standard reliable sources like the BBC that in the country where she resides, a progressive democratic Western European nation, J.K. Rowling can be fairly described as a free speech activist and feminist, as a counter point to the view she is a transphobe. Arguably this isn't even a 50/50 split, it's a majority versus a minority view.

Why is Wikipedia having great difficulty reflecting this as they go about divining the NPOV, to the point their inability has become a mainstream news story (which Wikipedia of course dismissed as blah blah)? Because they are far more wedded to the truth, when it is their truth. The truth of Amero-centric LGBT activists, who have already decided (as seen in their behavioural policies) that any and all instances of misgendering a Wikimedian, is a "personal attack". Not mere rudeness, but hostility.

Which is surely the Wikipedia equivalent of a hate crime. As can be seen by the swift and unusual punishment meted out to Chris at Molly's benighted request. As if a signal was being sent. A signal of virtue, not maturity and neutrality. The same signal activists hoped would be sent to J.K. Rowling, and were disappointed to realise their interpretation of the new Scottish hate crime law was not just biased, it was laughably innaccurate. A fever dream.

Wikipedia's internal behavioural rules and the general political culture they reflect is wildly out of step with even the laws of one of the most progressive nations in the United Kingdom, Wikipedia's second largest source of editors after America. Verifiable fact.

If Wikipedia editors were to seek elected office in Scotland, on current evidence, even after all these years of left wing Scottish governments and greater public awareness of -ism and -obia, they would struggle to attract 25% support.

And that's Scotland!

A nation we can deduce from two decades of election results (verifiability not truth), loves immigrants, loves social democratic values, loves big government, loves high taxes, loves climate change reduction measures, And most of all, loves lgbt people. Pride in Scotland is FUCKING HUGE.

Molly either doesn't know or doesn't care what Wikipedia looks like to the outside world, beyond the shores of West Coast Murica, as she makes such obviously pig ignorant statements in defence of Maher that derive from her beliefs and experience as a Wikimedian.

She has her desired narrative and she's determined to push it.

She will have the audience and impact such a thing deserves.

And Wikipedia will have the influence and respect that commands.

Nil.

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Re: Katherine Maher Named C.E.O. of NPR

Post by boredbird » Thu May 02, 2024 1:03 pm

Kraken wrote:
Thu May 02, 2024 10:38 am
She did not reveal the highly pertinent information that on that very same day, only fifteen or so minutes before she made that request, she had been arguing on the same internal page of Wikipedia about the NPR/Maher controversy as Chris about whether it merited coverage as a story in Wikipedia's internal newsletter. And she was coming at it from the opposite end of the argument as Chris. So if this video proves anything, it's that she had a clear and obvious motive for not making this context clear.
She's an ex-WMF employee – official hand model or something like that, can't remember – and wants to tag along with Maher on her rocket trip to the big time.

At least she just got paid again for this video. Not very much I'd wager as they didn't bother with professional production either. Wait, this is NPR? But I guess that's radio not video. Stick to what you know best and all.

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Re: Katherine Maher Named C.E.O. of NPR

Post by ericbarbour » Thu May 02, 2024 11:10 pm

boredbird wrote:
Thu May 02, 2024 8:10 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFkL4ME-8dQ
Worst performance I've seen from her so far. She comes across as patronizing, unpleasant and uninteresting. She looks tired and cranky, with no hint of the low-key energy and understated enthusiasm with which she discussed crypto shenanigans, not with any great insight but the point of media is being enjoyable to watch, and she isn't here.
Yes, she could really use some diction and public-presentation training. If you really MUST make YT videos of yourself talking about complex subjects, it's counterproductive to look/sound like a bored college girl with the typical American whiny speaking style and weird tonal changes. (At least she isn't ending every sentence or statement with that goofy Valley-girl rising tone that makes everything sound like a question--that shit is extremely commonplace nowadays.)

Jesus, it's not like there aren't free YT videos teaching proper public speaking, eh?

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Re: Katherine Maher Named C.E.O. of NPR

Post by Ognistysztorm » Thu May 02, 2024 11:36 pm

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