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Wikipedians refuse to define SouthCom's concentration camp in Guantanamo Bay a "concentration camp" in lede

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 7:29 pm
by journo
Even when sourced with reputable sources

This happened on English Wikipedia during the Biden administration and now during the Trump administration when tens of thousands of new detainees are reportedly planned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanam ... ntion_camp

Concentration camp, definition
The term concentration camp refers to a camp in which people are detained or confined, usually under harsh conditions and without regard to legal norms of arrest and imprisonment that are acceptable in a constitutional democracy.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... ps-1933-39

That's literally what Guantanamo Bay is. Holding such people without charge or trial, while ignoring hearing Supreme-Court guaranteed habeas corpus petitions for over decade unconstitutionally, on Cuban territory, illegally (Cuba continually tells them they have no legal lease of their land).

Sure, illegal immigrants should be deported. If desirable, and in the case they've egregiously violated American laws, there are legal processes in place so they can go through legitimate court processes. But that camp is used as a place to evade legitimate court processes, and primarily used as a place for political torture of people held without charge or trial.

They've reverted like 20 people
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... on=history

There's even WP:RS sources calling it a concentration camp https://lawcat.berkeley.edu/record/442392?ln=en

And now they locked the page
Cullen328, Girth Summit , Squeakachu, and Knitsey are just a few of the majority Wikipedia veterans refusing to let people speak accurately in the lede.

Re: Wikipedians refuse to define SouthCom's concentration camp in Guantanamo Bay a "concentration camp" in lede

Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:19 am
by ericbarbour
And go to "Capitalist-pigdogs" userpage.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Capitalist-pigdogs
Could not shut up about that single item.

Civil9095 was "similar" in one way: single-subject obsession. He started trying to venerate Warren Mosler, then spent two days grinding "Modern monetary theory" into dust before being b&. The only connection being an IP address being used for a LOT of edits to the exact same pages. Kooks (and robots) love Wikipedia.

Re: Wikipedians refuse to define SouthCom's concentration camp in Guantanamo Bay a "concentration camp" in lede

Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:00 am
by journo
ericbarbour wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:19 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Capitalist-pigdogs
Could not shut up about that single item.
Capitalist-pigdogs is far from the only person on that page saying that, there's been many for years calling it a concentration camp and being reverted soon after

Just today alone, January 30th:

this guy was right https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... 1272884115
La Marida IP, Frontier Communications ISP, clean residential IP https://www.ipqualityscore.com/vpn-ip-a ... 80.175.112

this guy was right https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... 1272786012
Eugene IP, Comcast Cable ISP, clean residential IP https://www.ipqualityscore.com/vpn-ip-a ... :9ab4:fccb

this guy was right https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... 1272769162
Phoenix IP, Cox Business ISP, clean residential IP https://www.ipqualityscore.com/vpn-ip-a ... 214.215.25

this guy was right https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... 1272819680
College Station, Optimum ISP, clean residential IP https://www.ipqualityscore.com/vpn-ip-a ... .24.29.233

and a few more

all reverted. They ain't robots or the same person. The timing of the edits and length of time of this dispute also doesn't suggest meatpuppets.