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European General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR)

Post by CrowsNest » Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:51 pm

https://www.eugdpr.org/

Looks like this could cause Wikipedia a few problems. Coming into force on 25 May 2018, the regulation certainly seems to apply, given they hold personal data on EU citizens (the definition includes both email address and IP), even though it is held out of the EU. Among the more problematic measures, it allows people the right to know whether and what information is stored about them, have a copy of it, and of course, the right to be forgotten. Hilariously, it requires privacy by design ("appropriate technical and organisational measures..in an effective way"), which I seriously doubt is a standard Wikipedia can hope to meet.

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Re: European General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR)

Post by sashi » Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:14 am

My goal today is to manage to read the article Ole Tipster posted over at WPO from SDZ: "Deutsche ließen 200 000 Links von Google verschwinden"

I happened upon France 24 interviewing Ovidie (former actor & director) talking about McPorn and how Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (E.F.F. presentation) effectively denies one-time porn pros "the right to be forgotten". Basically the problem on her telling is that while rights holders *can* get content taken down this is a game of whack-a-mole, as 48 hours after something is taken down, another pseudonymous account can post it again from a different IP. Crucially, though, actors are generally not rights holders; when those who hold the rights die, or no longer decide to pursue the protection of their rights... the actors have no recourse.

In not entirely unrelated matters, I started looking into how Deezer was represented on Wikipedia and stumbled on a very weird archive search side bar that has to be seen to be believed.

eugdpr.org wrote:Right to be Forgotten
Also known as Data Erasure, the right to be forgotten entitles the data subject to have the data controller erase his/her personal data, cease further dissemination of the data, and potentially have third parties halt processing of the data. The conditions for erasure, as outlined in article 17, include the data no longer being relevant to original purposes for processing, or a data subjects withdrawing consent. It should also be noted that this right requires controllers to compare the subjects' rights to "the public interest in the availability of the data" when considering such requests.

source nb: this seems to be related to platform users...


Our bodies, our voices, our speeches, ... our IP data.

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Re: European General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR)

Post by Graaf Statler » Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:56 am

Wikipedia is conflicting in many ways with the European legalisation. For instance a IP is private date in Europe, there are strict rules to use and to store all private date. After 25 May it is forbidden to collect date, even if you can find it free on the internet, and much more. The fines are extreem high.

Wikipedia is a border blaster without any legal base, and after 25 May every citizens living in the EU can start on line a case against them. For free. Because from that date on it's all European regulation, what replaces local regulation.
WMF is ignoring this fact, but after 25 May 2018 wikipedia is not protected by the California law anymore.

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Re: European General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR)

Post by ericbarbour » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:58 am

CrowsNest wrote:https://www.eugdpr.org/
Looks like this could cause Wikipedia a few problems. Coming into force on 25 May 2018, the regulation certainly seems to apply, given they hold personal data on EU citizens (the definition includes both email address and IP), even though it is held out of the EU.

Not all of it was--Kennisnet in the Netherlands was acting as a mirror and backup for WP servers. Which is why Oscar van Dillen ended up on the WMF Board.

They are still part of the WMF server system today.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimed ... rs#Hosting
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Re: European General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR)

Post by Graaf Statler » Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:56 pm

ericbarbour wrote:
CrowsNest wrote:https://www.eugdpr.org/
Looks like this could cause Wikipedia a few problems. Coming into force on 25 May 2018, the regulation certainly seems to apply, given they hold personal data on EU citizens (the definition includes both email address and IP), even though it is held out of the EU.

Not all of it was--Kennisnet in the Netherlands was acting as a mirror and backup for WP servers. Which is why Oscar van Dillen ended up on the WMF Board.

They are still part of the WMF server system today.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimed ... rs#Hosting

Yep, and that's a legal blunder, because WMF can never claim they are a pure American foundation, protected by the Caifonia law. With this strange construction they have put all Wiki products under both the American and the Dutch legal system, and of because of this under the European regulation. And that was what I found out and why they panicked and fat boy Alexander thought he could solve this legal problem with a SanFanBan. He had plans to go to law school, you know, but unfortunately never went to law school.


But it is worser. Kennisnet is complete involved with trollopedia/media-NL.
I really have to make a compliment to the wiki lawyers who have created this legal atomic bomb. Because, as we all know there is not any legal base for Wikipedia, it's a bluff site.
It is really incredible what legal witches brew they have created, I still can't believe such a stupide people exist. They have created the ultimate Hotel California, because you can check out every moment you want, but never leave! Thanks to the wiki history and this blunder!


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Re: European General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR)

Post by Graaf Statler » Fri May 18, 2018 11:17 am

Mister Jimmy should mind his one buissnes. As far as I know is mister Jimmy a American citizens living in a country what is leaving the EU, so it's not of his business.
And there is no discussion about European regulation going on, it's a new European rule, I am sorry.
And it's fine mister Jimmy and AndyTheGrump and other wiki believers have a strong opinion about that regulation, but it doesn't change anything, you have to oblige Europan regulation. And if you don't do you gonna pay, gonna pay a lot of money. We don't have a warning system like America, it's crash on the nail.
It's as simple as that, there are no exceptions, ask Google. Ask Zuckerberg who is traveling for the second time to the European parlement.
If you want to run a site in Europe, you have to follow the European regulation, seem to me logical. You can't lobby for a exception, such a new European regulation is a complex, very complex democratic proces, and exceptions are simple impossible. Political and because no European judge will accept that. So advocating for free source and a free internet in Europe is a complete wasting of time and money.

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Re: European General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR)

Post by Daniel Brandt » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:33 am

I've been running an anti-CloudFlare research site for six years now. CloudFlare is a San Francisco-based startup that protects over seven million domains by hiding the origin IP address behind their own servers. Criminals of all types find it useful, and copyright violators find it irresistible.

I'm curious to see if the new EU laws, in particular the EU's forthcoming copyright laws, will go after CloudFlare's servers in EU countries. This is not a trivial question. Google, for example, has processed over 213 million takedowns of links and cached copies since 2011, and CloudFlare-protected domains are currently a whopping 27 percent of this total. Google actually takes down links and cached copies when it gets valid copyright complaints. CloudFlare, on the other hand, believes that they are above the law.

Wikipedia's article on CloudFlare doesn't mention my site because they hate me.

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Re: European General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR)

Post by Graaf Statler » Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:40 am

All this regulation is new, and we have to see how it works out, Daniel. But everyone has to understand all this new European regulation is not the result of a democratic proces, but is created by Brussels technocrats and for sure with reason. Because the EU is a kind of China, there is democracy on a local level, but in Brussel is democracy hard to find. They, the Brussels technocrats, make the tune, and not CloudFlare, Google Facebook or Wikipedia or the European citizens. We have seen this in the Eurocrisis where they have ignored with Greece the democracy with there Euro group complete, we have seen that with many other things. The Brussel technocrats are ruling Europe.

After more than one year reading critical fora it is complete clear to me most Americans have no idea what Europe is, what it's mentality is, what the structure of the EU is, and what the political structure of the separated European country's is. Europa is not a kind of America, a province of America.
The best way to look at Europe in a political way is how you look to China. They made a plan to regulate the internet complete, that is clear to me.
But because Brussel is one big back and black room we have no idea what that plan is. We normal citizens don't know the bigger plan behind all these new rules, but for sure there is one. And my guess is they slowly want to change the European internet in a Chinese style European intranet with very less influence of the American internet giants. But be careful, that is my impression. But most times I am right about this kind of matters.

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Re: European General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR)

Post by CrowsNest » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:47 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =847496042

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... _block_log

Bbb23 wrote:GDPR doesn't apply to Wikipedia.........Wikipedia is governed by American law. However, you're welcome to contact Legal to confirm that. There is no solution that will satisfy you. So drop it.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:09, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Might this be the small stone that turns into the giant avalanche that see Wikipedia being blocked in the EU? If not, it certainly looks like it will be something this arrogant bullying ass says or does as he roams around Wikipedia pretending to be a lawyer. Seriously, how hard is it for them to simply refer people politely to WMF Legal, without making any other comment at all? Why have they got to pretend like they have any role to play in assessing such things at all?

Volunteer Administrators of Wikipedia, repeat after me - you do not speak for the WMF on any matter, least of all the rights of EU citizens to control their personal data (or define said data as outside the scope of the GDPR). And even if you did, it obviously wouldn't be as some anonymous prick only known as "Bbb23@internet".

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