ericbarbour wrote:Well, Google translate gives us this:
I think User:Shujenchang is very pleased to see this, see
User:Shujenchang/ I oppose the reason for setting up a user verifier at Chinese Wikipedia . Why does the WMF cancel the local user checker to prevent people suspected of being controlled by the CCP? -- Lanwi1 ( Message ) March 30, 2018 ( Wed ) 13:39 (UTC)
@ Lanwi1 : Stealing does not. How would the Chinese Wikipedia user checker be suspected of being controlled by the Chinese Communists, and wouldn’t other language Wikipedias? Chinese Wikipedia , not CCP Wikipedia ; French Wikipedia , not French Wikipedia . -- CuSO 4 believes that friendship is magic and is working hard to raise the level of knowledge March 31, 2018 (W) 00:44 (UTC)
The Chinese Communists cracked down on dissidents and played hard. Those who were hit were Zhang Shuren and other Chinese Wikimedians. -- Lanwi1 ( Message ) March 31, 2018 ( Sat ) 02:49 (UTC)
@ Lanwi1 : I mean, if the function of the user checker of Chinese Wikipedia is used by some organizations , then according to the same logic, the user checker function of other languages Wikipedia may also be used by some organizations . Because " Chinese Wikipedia is not CCP Wikipedia ; French Wikipedia , not French Wikipedia ." - CuSO 4 believes that friendship is magic and is working hard to improve knowledge level. March 31, 2018 (Sat) 02:58 (UTC)
Obviously, the object of crackdown on dictatorial countries includes user checkers. -- Lanwi1 ( Message ) March 31, 2018 ( Sat ) 03:02 (UTC)
@ Lanwi1 : I mean, if they can crack down on Chinese Wikipedia's user checkers , then they can also crack down on user checkers at English Wikipedia, French Wikipedia, and Japanese Wikipedia. So I think, "user review officer function Chinese Wikipedia has been their dangerous use of" reason WMF move is not made.Another: Why not talk about the user on the discussion page? - CuSO 4 believes that friendship is magic and is working hard to improve knowledge level. March 31, 2018 (Sat) 10:21 (UTC)
It may also be related to the Addiswang attack by the watchman Ai Meng. See WMFOffice's editorial record on Chinese Wikipedia. -- Lanwi1 ( Message ) March 31, 2018 ( Sat ) 15:39 (UTC)
Inevitably it involved attempts by CCP representatives to use checkuser to trace "dissidents", or something similar. Dirty politics. Mr. Alexander acted in his usual stupid and heavy-handed manner, prob. because someone pressured him. They yanked CU from five zh-WP admins at once:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/WMFOfficeI have done all kinds of searches for the term "ai meng" and came up with nothing.
From the book wiki (this situation has probably only gotten worse since 2013);
Zh-Wikipedia contained 507,000 articles and 1.255 million registered users as of mid-2012. By mid-2013 the number of articles had grown to 715,000, and to 919,000 by 2017. Apparently there are only about 250 heavy editors, and they are using translation bots to generate most of this "content" from en-WP articles. Google translation leaves something to be desired: "Wikipedia is a content free, anyone can participate, and multilingual encyclopedia cooperative program. Our goal is to create a complete, accurate and neutral encyclopedia."
Per
this 2013 article:
"When Yuan Mingli posted the first Chinese-language entry on Wikipedia in November 2002, he had no idea that the website was on the verge of becoming a globally influential movement. Yuan, then a 26-year-old postgraduate student at Peking University, only intended to create an online "notebook". Wikipedia, the biggest online encyclopedia, run by the US-based non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, had only been launched the previous year and Yuan learned of it a few weeks before he made his first entry, when there was no Chinese version. The site impressed Yuan, who majored in mathematics, and so he spent about a month studying the English version and then two weeks building the Chinese homepage and some basic web pages."
"Many Chinese Wikipedians, unable to access the site for almost two years, switched to copycat sites, including Baidu and Hudong's encyclopedias. During the "Big Block", it was hard to find fellow Wikipedians to meet and chat with offline, Yuan says. He had organised mainland Wikipedians' first public gathering, in Beijing in July 2004. After graduating from Peking University in 2005, he moved to Shanghai and continued to meet other site contributors. The meetings, however, soon dried up. Mainland Wikipedians had organised 40 public gatherings since the inaugural event, but there were none in 2007 or 2008, and only one in 2009. "The community shrunk massively during the block," Yuan says. "Many newcomers left." It is still unclear why censors blocked the whole site and why it later became accessible again."
According to the EPIC-Oxford study of Wikipedia accuracy, published August 2012[32], they chose not to study the Chinese Wikipedia, because: "The Chinese Wikipedia was found to be heavily censored and was therefore excluded as it would possibly confound the research results." This information was derived from a "China Task Force" report compiled in 2009-2010, which is now prominently tagged on all pages "This wiki has been closed per community discussion." Heavily involved in this project: Philippe Beaudette, despite his not knowing how to read or speak Chinese. It prominently mentions that online encyclopedias run by Hudong and Baidu were far more popular than zh-WP. The talkpage mentions other encyclopedia projects that are more popular than zh-WP. The "China Task Force" project was subsequently closed down and forgotten.
Remember this: when some Wiki-Booger starts gobbling about their "magical and worldwide movement for freedom and openness", simply bring up Chinese-language Wikipedia. The Wiki-Nit will either claim ignorance, or become furious and walk away in a huff.
I ran that Simplified Hanzi sentence through Google Translate, it gave me: Nándào gēn shǒuwàng zhě ài mèng shìjiàn yǒuguān or "Is it related to the lover’s event?" I would run "ài mèng" through the system; it might be an allusion to Chinese popular culture or a folk story or something out of the Analects; a lot of Chinese expressions come out of classical Chinese literature, much like Shakespeare left marks on English.
The plain truth of things is that we are in an unspoken cultural war with the Chinese Communist Party, one we started by pushing market structures onto a Maoist state that had just come out of a Cultural Revolution. However the battleground is within both the United States and every country with a diaspora "overseas Chinese" community; the war in America is about promoting the glory of Chinese culture (as overseen/supported by the CCP), especially through the Confucius Institutes that have popped up in most of the major universities - they do cultural promotion and help colleges start or beef up their Mandarin Chinese courses. They also run Chinese language immersion in grade schools, but supposedly they won't talk about what happened in 1989, what happened to the kid who was the Dalai Lama's successor (or the resettlement of Han Chinese into Tibet, which is mangling Tibetan culture), why the Three Gorges Dam was a bad idea, the endless anti-corruption campaigns inside the CCP, etc. Did I mention that the People's Liberation Army pays for the Confucius Institutes? That certain universities have thrown their CI office out, while others (like San Diego State U.) have dug in even deeper? Everything going on at zh.Wikipedia or en.Wikipedia concerning Chinese subjects is part of this soft-power war as well, because the mainland Chinese state and Party sees all outside Chinese as possible future citizens and all Chinese culture as something they must manage. It sounds megalomaniacal, but this is the long revenge for two Opium Wars, the failure of the Boxer Rebellion, a century of decline, the Warlord period, Chiang Kai-Shek being an opium gangster/backstabber to the 1920s Chinese Left/Numbah One Son to Henry Luce and the China Lobby (OSS/CIA), the failure to push the Khmer Rouge along more orthodox Maoist lines (including shutting down Democratic Kampuchea's off and on border war with Vietnam) so they could have dodged the humiliation of Vietnamese camera crews filming the crates of newly-made Chinese artillery shells after the Vietnamese Army invaded DK/Cambodia in 1979 (the Shenyang-built MiG-19 fighter-bomber jets they gave the Khmer Rouge had mostly been shot down). Luckily the Chinese could wash their hands of Pol Pot, despite S-21 (the former religious school turned into a torture prison), and Reagan's State Department was willing to fund the Khmer Rouge on the Thai border and use them to pointlessly harass the apolitical occupying Vietnamese government. But I am getting away from the point, which is that if this is going to be the Chinese century, they're going to have to come up with plugs for all the unspeakable questions I brought up.
Still "Globally Banned" on Wikipedia for the high crime of journalism.
