Again GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation in the EU

[Graaf Statler]

And if I click on this banner (Meer informatie) I end up on this blogpost. This is of course not enough. GDPR is so much more.

And what I don't understand is, Wikimedia has started a year ago (Algemene Verordening Gegevensbescherming, Dutch) to make there beloved Wikimedia club GDPR proof, spoiled the world with a lot of gender bull, but didn't place one single posting in the village pump of WP-Nl with: He guy's, this is going on, GDPR is coming in a year, how do we solve the problems?
No, there first meeting about European regulation is on 9 June. And it's only to get some information about the subject, because it's clear Romaine's WM-BE can't change anything with lobbying anymore. Maybe Romaine can start to troll a bit around in te European parlement, just like he did on Wikiquote when it was about serious legal matters. I only don't know it you can ask for a global block there as a solution.

Anyway, it's 26 May, so WP-Nl is now running as a complete illegal border blaster in The Netherlands. Because I hope we all understand that a banner to a link to a WMF blogpost is not any solution.
They have wasted so much time without doing anything! Except promoting this kind of gender solutions. And other extreme feministic bullshit. It's a tremendous scandal, that is what it is!

[Graaf Statler]

By the way, did anyone of you ever heard of sex-positive feminism, and is there anyone who can explane to me how it can solve the many, many problems of WP-NL? I mean the corruption, the copyright matters, the problems around European legalisation, the power what is over the years in the same hands of complete incompetent idiots, most times with a metal problem where they are open about and proud of, etc.
And is this where the mainstream of the donors are paying there cup of coffee for, and what is making Katherine Maher dancing and giggling on the big free source stages of the world with here fact checkersss of the world act? Because that is what I am wondering.

[ericbarbour]

FWIW I've gotten a vast tsunami of crap emails about "WE ARE UPDATING OUR PRIVACY POLICY".

Even American companies are doing it despite not actually having to. Perhaps someday we will get a US law like this. (And the WMF will abuse it of course.)

[Graaf Statler]

I think America will have such a protection if it's citizens too.
Internet is a new technology. And in the beginning there is no regulation, but slowly the authorities start to understand what it is and start to make regulation. The same happend with the radio, because of the leak of regulation John Brinkley had the change to sell his snake oil. (Thank you for the tip Brinkley, Eric.) Now we know the internet has a very black side, think of spammers, IS, so it's logical the author are protecting there citizens now. A free internet is a illusion, in a few years it will be regulated as strict as the whole society in Holland/Europe.

And this is only the beginning, because in a short time there will be a European regulation content has to be checked if it is not copyright bij the internet firms in advance. They want to protect the intellectual property much stronger in the future in Europe. I said it many times before, a free source culture doesn't fit in the way of thinking of the Europeans. It doesn't run here. Intellectual property is a ownership, just like your car is, your house, etc. And the task of the gouvernante is to protect it.

If there is one thing I have found out in the time I traveled digital to America it is the huge difference under the surface between America and Europe. In it's mentality, the way of thinking of the people, in everything. And the complete leak of knowledge of the Americans about Europe. As far as Europe exist. If you drive two hundred kilometer you are in a complete different country, with a complete different landscape, and a complete different language and mentality. And as far European country's exist. Look what happens in Italy now political. Because of the same problem, Itally is a federation of old, small kingdom's. Like many European country's are. What is divided just like the complete EU is. There is no unity in Europe. There is no European feeling. There is not even a Italian feeling.

But our brave Romaine has travelled to Brussel with his trollomedia-BE to change the copyright in the complet EU. Yes. My dear digital friend Romaine, founding father of Wikimedia-BE. Romaine is a kind of family to me, Romaine has trolled so many years on Wikiquote-NL, so I know every troll trick of him. Romaine, our man in Brussel. Romaine is specialist in sock puppet trolling, bot trolling, wikimedia trolling, legal trolling, WMF trolling and blocking trolling, it's really a troll expert. I have never seen in my whole live such a poor lier. Once he was and on a Wikimedia meeting, and editing every two minutes on his wikipedia account at the same time. Because he has a certain style of writing it's very easy to recognise his socks. A lamp post is made out of iron =>so I am right about legal matters. With his followers who are thinking in the same absurde way. And you have to listen to them and obey them, otherwise they get a tantrum, and are you blocked. Or you can win even the rare SanFanBan.
It is a pity you folks can't read it in English, because you can sell the complete Dutch wikipedia en its wikimedia as a soap. You don't even have to chance anything, I think we have given examples enough, 300, Julian and I.

[The End]

Silicon Valley companies are the new "Robber Barons" of today's Gilded Age. I think Elon Musk is having a meltdown, but the others like Jeff Bezos certainly wield enough political and financial influence to keep Congress from enacting anything that messes with Silicon Valley's profit. That profit comes from information... our information. They might agree to some "reform" in the name of looking noble to the public, but nothing substantial would come of it. I might just be too cynical.

[Graaf Statler]

I think our big mistake is we didn't create our one internet firms. Our one Facebook, our one Google, our one Pedia. It's of course insane a American foundation in Europe is running a wiki. And about America. I think both America and Europe are in a political crisis. America because it is very, very wrong if company's are running a country, and we because of the instability of the EU and the euro. Because we are at the brink of a second eurocrisis. And why? Because the American business banks were involved by the founding of the Euro.
But I think Europe is in a better political position than America. You see the European parlement is trying to protect our privacy, they don't let them impress by the American internet giants.
In my opinion a country must take the best of both, the capitalistic system and the social system and that is what we are trying in Europe. And give it's citizens a extreem freedom within very strict borders and protect it's citizens as much as possible. Because in today's world is a free internet impossible, it has to be strict regulated and not ruined by big internet firms, because they mess everything up at the end.

[AndrewForson]

Hilariously, we hear that the European Commission is unable to adhere to its own GDPR rules. But it claims that it is not subject to its own laws. Just like Wikipedia, really.

[sashi]

I posted my question about categorizing BLP over to Wikimedia-l. There were some cautiously good responses and there was some "blablabla...uncensored" kool-aid.. In the process, I learned that the Category:French Jews is 40 times larger than than the Category:French Christians (roughly 800:20) in part because these are categories that "require diffusion". The Category:French Rapists is part of the category "noindexed pages" (and contains only 10 members.)

To me diffusion meant "spreading", "broadcasting", "propagating", etc. but -- as it turns out -- in wiki-parlance it apparently means propagation into sub-categories... like Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Goldsmith Family, Rothschild Family, etc. (§)

Somehow, at least a couple of the Wikimediots (moi aussi, ch'uis charlot) there did not think that the GDRP would apply to freely googlizable content.

I also learned there that the WMF was protected by the journalistic exception.

As JzG typed into the official "risk disclaimer" (one of the five sub-disclaimers):

PLEASE BE AWARE THAT ANY INFORMATION YOU MAY FIND IN WIKIPEDIA MAY BE INACCURATE, MISLEADING, DANGEROUS, ADDICTIVE, UNETHICAL OR ILLEGAL.

source (needs an Oxford comma)

ps... that sublime NewBornPoop yellow is called "CAC-040" (§).

The moderators at wikimedia-l have tactily signified that they don't wish for the discussion to continue. ^^

[CrowsNest]

I'm not seeing an argument here for why Wikimedia should adhere to this
law, if it is correctly stated by the OP. If France passed a law banning
Internet-published photos of living people, how would we approach that law?
If Germany barred publishing the place of birth, date of birth or religious
preference of public figures? If the United States banned publishing the
name of individuals accused of mass murder? Passionate arguments could be
made in favor of each, but none of them would support the perspective of an
educational organization dedicated to the freedom of knowledge.

Oopsie!

[CrowsNest]

In general Wikipedia falls under the journalistic exemption
("publication of ideas, information or opinions"), which means many
rules from the GDPR are dropped. Mostly what remains is just that a
weighing has to be done between the subject's privacy interest and
Wikipedia's own reporting interest. Even the possibility to object to
that decision is dropped in this case, so if, as I assume will happen,
such a request is taken as a reason to re-evaluate that decision, we
are already going beyond the minimum of what the law requires.

--
André Engels, andreengels at gmail.com

Unsurprisingly, it seems Andre is in no position to be making such statements......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Andre_Engels