Wikipedia Sucks!

Wikipedia Netherlands' chief egomaniac gets put under the microscope: https://wikipedia-sucks-badly.blogspot. ... aniac.html

My only problem is that I can't see why they can't just give the guy a stub article on nl.Wikipedia and call it a day.....but then I've seen so much hack fraud (not to be confused with these guys) on Wikipedia that Mdd (described as "a Maroon" by Eric Barbour in the Bugs Bunny tradition) strikes me as a very self-important, but he isn't as scummy as say Beyond My Ken or David "Assisted Living Dracula" Gerard.

That is complete correct. If Wikipedia-NL was a serieus project a stub article would been fair. But the problem is there are all kind of personal intrigues and feuds what makes that absolute impossible. It is impossible to write a neutral article about someone who belongs to the incrowd, where Mdd of course to belongs.

The wiki is blocked, it is in a lock. The incrowd can't give it out of hands, they have to controle it till the bitter end. Because, of what you call hack fraud it is the perfect Hotel California situation. They can check out, but they can't leave.
The only right thing to do should be closing this wiki. But that is impossible because it is not possible to explane for WMF why they have kept on sponsoring and have not intervened such a long time. Because these problems exist for years and years. But WMF can't intervent for legal reasons.

It is like a airplane in a spin, no one can get it under control. They can't, and WMF can't. It is simple waiting till the Trollopedia-NL hits the ground, because every intervention causes instantly a crash. The only thing they can do is hoping for a wonder, and maybe article 13 is that wonder. Because in that case WMF can say sorry, operating in Holland is impossible for us because of the new regulation, we delete it. If a a certain journalist does't crash it before, because you always have to be very careful with cat's.... (internel joke)

Graaf Statler wrote:That is complete correct. If Wikipedia-NL was a serieus project a stub article would been fair. But the problem is there are all kind of personal intrigues and feuds what makes that absolute impossible. It is impossible to write a neutral article about someone who belongs to the incrowd, where Mdd of course to belongs.

The wiki is blocked, it is in a lock. The incrowd can't give it out of hands, they have to controle it till the bitter end. Because, of what you call hack fraud it is the perfect Hotel California situation. They can check out, but they can't leave.
The only right thing to do should be closing this wiki. But that is impossible because it is not possible to explane for WMF why they have kept on sponsoring and have not intervened such a long time. Because these problems exist for years and years. But WMF can't intervent for legal reasons.

It is like a airplane in a spin, no one can get it under control. They can't, and WMF can't. It is simple waiting till the Trollopedia-NL hits the ground, because every intervention causes instantly a crash. The only thing they can do is hoping for a wonder, and maybe article 13 is that wonder. Because in that case WMF can say sorry, operating in Holland is impossible for us because of the new regulation, we delete it. If a a certain journalist doesn't crash it before, because you always have to be very careful with cat's.... (internel joke)

When I think of "hack fraud" I think of Ed Fitzgerald (Beyond My Ken) for doing a form of paid-editing at the possible behest of his employer, all the Carolyn Doran drunk-driving crap the WMF covered for, the Indian Institute of Planning and Management/Wifione sockpuppets doing paid editing scandal of 2015, etc. Mdd is a relentless self-promoter, a very minor figure in industrial design, art, etc. But he did digitize and provide all of his portrait shots of various Dutch academics, designers, artists to nl.Wikipedia for their biography pages, so it wasn't a total ego-trip move.

The British Wiki foundation (i.e. the WMUK) went through two separate versions because the first one could never congeal into a real non-profit (you can't blame the "dime store Nosferatu" David Gerard, but he was a part of the board of the first WMUK.) Possibly Wikimedia Nederlands (or some sane outsider who has veto power) needs to realize that the organization is better off dissolving, picking up some new people, and reforming. That beats letting the airplane crash.

The main problem is there are so many Mdd's active on WPNL, he is absolute not the only one. People who did a academic studie, who didn't make it in life, but who are themself convinced they are the new Einstein, a super brain. And than we have....... wikipedia/media where all there dreams came true.
They use a wiki to give there carrier a bust, sometimes to make Wiki to there profession, to pimp there CV, to get unforgettable with a article of there one.

Mdd is just a example. Where is my reward? I want my article. You are right, he didn't make it as a industrial designer. So he is writing about people who made it in life in the hope he gets himself a step higher. But like I said, he is absolute not the only one who is doing this.
But these people are blocking a project, they are stifling it, and that is the problem. They are there for years and years and years with one goal, keeping the control over the project. And in that way is exacte the opposite happening from everyone can edit, because in practice they are the one who are deciding who can edit an who can not. And they are only looking for users who can help them to keep the staus quo, not for good editors. And this is in a nutshell what is wrong there.

Graaf Statler wrote:The main problem is there are so many Mdd's active on WPNL, he is absolute not the only one. People who did a academic studie, who didn't make it in life, but who are themself convinced they are the new Einstein, a super brain. And than we have....... wikipedia/media where all there dreams came true.

They use a wiki to give there carrier a bust, sometimes to make Wiki to there profession, to pimp there CV, to get unforgettable with a article of there one.

The truth about true geniuses is that they don't see themselves as geniuses, they just go out and do whatever it is that attracts them and the work they create defines their genius. Stanisław Szukalski (1893 -1987) was well-known in Europe and America in the '20s for his illustrations, brass sculpture, etc. He got away from German-invaded Poland, moved back to America, and continued to work for the rest of his life.....the only downsides with being a Szukalski fan is that he was a ranty anti-Communist and that he had concocted his own science, Zermatism, that he outlined in his books Behold!!! the Protong and Inner Portraits where the history of the world is stripped down to humans versus half-human, half-Yeti "Yetisyn" hybrids who are criminals, dictators, the sorts of people who made Stanisław Szukalski's life tough. My point in relating all that is that the genius (especially the artistic genius) often lives outside the conventions, and Wikipedia is nothing but conventions, written or unwritten. They are rank careerists of the soul.

Strelnikov wrote:The British Wiki foundation (i.e. the WMUK) went through two separate versions because the first one could never congeal into a real non-profit (you can't blame the "dime store Nosferatu" David Gerard, but he was a part of the board of the first WMUK.) Possibly Wikimedia Nederlands (or some sane outsider who has veto power) needs to realize that the organization is better off dissolving, picking up some new people, and reforming. That beats letting the airplane crash.

That will never happen. Kiss the airplane bye-bye first.

Besides, WMUK didn't dissolve for "good reasons", it crashed and burned thanks to the incompetence of Gerard's friends and their astounding inability to raise funds.

The main problem is there are so many Mdd's active on WPNL, he is absolute not the only one.

And nl-WP isn't a very big operation. Hundreds of people have tried to both edit en-WP and use it to glorify themselves; look at the mess of "Wikipedians with articles". (Some of the worst ones aren't even listed there. Because it was TOO embarrassing.)

But it is embracing! Those articles are from the same level as a (pimped) Facebook page, with highlights as I won when I was a kid a national drawing contest. Very small facts are blown to mythical properties, most time with a source. Facts what highlights everybody's live, I said it before, I was one of the winners of the national peijnenburger ontbijtkoek drawing contest! Yes!
They take little facts most people can find in there life, and if you are lucky a newspaper has given attention to it in the past so you have a source. And in that way all those embarrassing articles are build up.

But all these wiki benefits make you a sitting duck for blackmail. Yes, the wiki system starts to blackmail you! Because everybody gets blood at it's hands, and nobody is clean at the end!
Whether you are a school kid what has the status of a sysop, a person with a mental problem who is a international steward, or you have a wikijob, or you have pimped you CV with a article, or have pushed your POV, doesn't matter, you get a sitting duck for blackmail, and get locked up in Hotel California. And that is the real danger of Wikipedia, because it's a dangerous Siren!

And wen you are a guest in that hotel you are lost! For ever! You have to play the game, doesn't matter how absurde. Otherwise they lose your wikstatus, your benefits, and you can be in deep, deep trouble, even in your professional life.
But you where already in deep trouble, because at the moment you accept the first sysop waffel (Stroopwafel) you are a part of this system and there is no way back! The door of the reception has closed behind you, there is now passage back. And that makes it so danger!

"I had to find the passage back to the place I was before
Relax, said the nightman
We are programmed to receive
You can check out any time you like
But you can never leave"

Eagles, Hotel California

Graaf Statler wrote:But it is embracing! Those articles are from the same level as a (pimped) Facebook page, with highlights as I won when I was a kid a national drawing contest. Very small facts are blown to mythical properties, most time with a source. Facts what highlights everybody's live, I said it before, I was one of the winners of the national peijnenburger ontbijtkoek drawing contest! Yes!
They take little facts most people can find in there life, and if you are lucky a newspaper has given attention to it in the past so you have a source. And in that way all those embarrassing articles are build up.

But all these wiki benefits make you a sitting duck for blackmail. Yes, the wiki system starts to blackmail you! Because everybody gets blood at it's hands, and nobody is clean at the end!
Whether you are a school kid what has the status of a sysop, a person with a mental problem who is a international steward, or you have a wikijob, or you have pimped you CV with a article, or have pushed your POV, doesn't matter, you get a sitting duck for blackmail, and get locked up in Hotel California. And that is the real danger of Wikipedia, because it's a dangerous Siren!

And wen you are a guest in that hotel you are lost! For ever! You have to play the game, doesn't matter how absurde. Otherwise they lose your wikstatus, your benefits, and you can be in deep, deep trouble, even in your professional life.
But you where already in deep trouble, because at the moment you accept the first sysop waffel (Stroopwafel) you are a part of this system and there is no way back! The door of the reception has closed behind you, there is now passage back. And that makes it so danger!

"I had to find the passage back to the place I was before
Relax, said the nightman
We are programmed to receive
You can check out any time you like
But you can never leave"

Eagles, Hotel California

That song is about cocaine addiction and faded hippie dreams ("we haven't had that spirit here since 1969") and being trapped....it came out in 1976, during that Bicentennial Year in America which was a plastic, happyface-mask affair because the Vietnam War ended the previous year.

If there is anything that Wikipedia-NL reminds me of, it's the dynamic of the Wes Anderson film The Royal Tenenbaums (2001) - adult children who are struggling to live up to their "careers" as child prodigies. Except here, none of the "prodigies" ever really existed, and all of these people are more like Gene Hackman's character in the film, Royal Tenenbaum - he's a disbarred lawyer trying to scam his way back into the good graces of his wealthy ex-wife and the children he treated like props.

None of this will last, which is why I'm saying that Graaf Statler should write a book in Dutch outlining why WM-NL and nl.Wikipedia is in such a dire state.

That Vietnam war had a huge impackt in that time, I think many young people can't imagine that nowadays. In Europe were anti Vietnam demonstrations, people in Holland where arrested because they chanted Johnson moordenaar, Jonson killer, and later they changed it in Johnson molenaar, Johnson miller.
It was a a benchmark, also the American society was deep wounded because of it. Most soldiers where high school kids, when they not had died they came back with trauma's, often drug addicted. Because the Vietnamees made them addicted, it was one of there weapons. And not to forget to mention the shock the Mig's where superior to te American F15's....
The vietmam war you can't compere with the middle east and Irak war, it was different.

This was also so absurd, the father of the anti Vietnam war Jimmy Morrison who was a admiral in that war. That war has splitter up complet America in that time, and has left a deep impression by us, in that time young people.

And writing books........ I think I leave that to De Kolonel and friends, because it's there profession.