Wikipedia Sucks!

I don't know if the audience has noticed it, but I always substantiate a claim. I never, never write a accusation without evidences, I always refer to the proof (look at the forum of Auggie, have a look on my blog, there are the links) or I give the direct links. I always say, if someting is not clear ask me. and I am sure Arthur understands why I am doing that, it is because of the Dutch/European legal system. Exactly, because of slander and defamation, a crime in Holland and the rest of Europe.

Always substantiate your claims. If you have a look in the Dutch sector you will find always links, links, and links and that is the reason I say the wiki history is your biggest enemy and the fora and blogs too. Because, you can't deny, everything is registered. For ever. And now it seems the same danger appears in America.
There are now two law causes, the one of my colleague SanFanBan winner and one of Moira if I am well informed. And America is not Europe where you can get a fine of the judge or at it's worst a few months in prison, and maybe you have to pay a few thousand euros to the victim. In America with it's claim culture it is absolute a different story.

I have read what I could read about the case of (gender) Moira. In Europe no one should give here one single Euro, because if you do such a thing it is absolute clear you end up in court. Because woman have there rights, but man too. The same rights to be more specefic.
And what I have understand there is not any proof or evidence mister Stephen Elliott did anything wrong or illegal, and that is where it is about. like I explane before in my postings. Ok, like his sexual fantasies or not and it is absolute not my cup of tea, but it is also absolute not illegal both in America and Europe.

I am curious what a American court is thinking of this action of her. Because in Europe it would be clear, you would be convicted. My guess the verdict in Europe should be a rectification in all the big national newspapers, a what we call a taakstraf. (A public service punishment.) And a sum of money to pay to the victim but absolute no millions. It is a guess, I am a bare foot "lawyer", but I think it had cost her around 15.000-20.000 euro and a taakstraf.

And now you understand why #Metoo never will fly in Europe, but we will see how a American court will interprets this.
I myself prefer our legal system with the judge as a patrem who punish you in a fair way and makes you clear what you did was wrong, but who doesn't ruin you. Because where is it about? About your reputation what has to be restored, or a lot of money?

(Do you as a professional lawyer agree with this analyse, Arthur?)

Yes this is true, there must always be evidences of what you say.

If it really matters and you think the original may be taken down, you can use archive.is and save a copy and link to that instead.

They never seem to take anything down, http://archive.is/Q86tR still has various US senators personal info after a twitter bot tweeted the Wikipedia edits that revealed it.

I have reported it to them several times, to no avail.

I see a huge differente between the legal behaviour of Americans and Europeans, Artur. And I wonder if you have noticed that too.

If I should writer what Midsize Jake wrote about Trump about our prime minister or king the police was the same day nocking at my door. Such a comparison wit the leader of the Das Dritte Reich is so far out of line, I should end up in court and I think I was forced to take my side down.

The same with a bad #Metoo, you end up in a police station. Copyright, I gave the examples, pay or I sue you. 200X200px? I don't care and the judge doesn't care. Our legal system is so extreem strict, and you end so easy in court that we are all extreem careful not to break the law. (Except a fool like Edo with his crazy email.)
One visit at the police station had been enough to bring madam gender in huge legal probelm in Holland. One visit, without any costs.

The key thing on that is that the Americans have this whole First Amendment thing, where they have a constitutional right to free speech. And not even the Government or the President can disagree with the constitution.

Only the US Supreme Court can interpret their constitution, and we all saw what sort of person they have on the Supreme Court.

That is really weard. Because we have or had the article Het beledigen van een bevriend staatshoofd. So for Jake it is ok to insult Trump, but for me not. But I don't know if it is still there, because after a few incidents with Erdogan the gouvernement wanted to get rid of it, just like Germany. But in August this year someone was persecuted for the same Jake did. In Holland.


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Dysklyver wrote:The key thing on that is that the Americans have this whole First Amendment thing, where they have a constitutional right to free speech. And not even the Government or the President can disagree with the constitution.

Only the US Supreme Court can interpret their constitution, and we all saw what sort of person they have on the Supreme Court.

The US government became a gerontocracy thanks to a bevy of crap choices and the former band of wandering judges they call the Supreme Court (they used to ride from state to state hearing cases in the 19th century) should never have been allowed to be a lifetime appointment. It is an old man's government run by two decrepit parties, and things are ripe for change.

I complete agree with you. These people are to old, to conservative, they don't have the energy anymore. And yes, America is ripe for change.
I really hope for Amerika the next elections there are younger and more dynamic candidates and not only granny and granddad to choose.

And the more than two year on the critical fora where very useful for me to learn the tremendous differences between Europe and America and I hope for others too. Europe and America are two different planets I have found out because of the different political systems and different legal systems. Something what doesn't change with new elections by the way. Slowly I start to understand we are de facto living in a old communist stated, what is closer related is to the old Soviet Union and China than to America. The socialistic principles are deep anchored in our state controlled country I have found out.

In Holland you it is not allowed to hit a nail in the wall without a permission, but on the other hand we have a lot of personal freedom. But not to much because you absolute can't say what you want, you have to substantiate what you say. Or do you know a other country where you can get a fine of 550 euro for one bucket of water out of the ditch? And that is Holland, Patrem state is everywhere, in name of the king, who is himself complete powerless. In name of the king the state looks after you, feet you when you are hungry, gives you a house when you need it, look after your health, educates you, punish you if necessary, and determines your life. And in this complex you get a bandwidth of extreem freedom.

And that is the reason our complete mentality and man woman relation is so different. And nobody want to change it because it gives us a rich and prosperous life. Nobody wants to change anything in Europe, that is the reason nationalism is so strong. We want to stay who we are, we don't want external influences. Why do you think the Octoberfest is so populair in Germany and slowly also in Holland? Because it is a confirmation of the traditional German culture against other cultures. Europe want to keep it's national traditional values. Wein, Weib und Gesang. Wine, (beer) women and song, that is the Octoberfest. Even that canal parade is a protest in Amsterdam, this is who we are. This is our culture, and stay out of it. We mind our one business, and nobody else. That is the deeper message.

And it was the same middle finger the free source mouvement got back from the Europarlement, stay out of our business, this is Europe. And the reason free source and the American (wiki) gender views don't have a single change in Europe and never will fly.

Yup, Trump is many things, but a 72 year old man is unfortunately one of them, and the Clinton women that went up against him in the election is 70.

Obama looks like a young guy in comparison, but he is now 57!

Things are no better here, Theresa May is 62, Boris is 54, her Maj is 92 and becoming really old, with the replacement Maj not much better at 69.

Now Kim Jong-un on the other hand, is only 35, he became the Supreme Leader of North Korea while a comparative baby, aged 28. Sebastian Kurz is 32.

Dysklyver wrote:Yup, Trump is many things, but a 72 year old man is unfortunately one of them, and the Clinton women that went up against him in the election is 70.

Obama looks like a young guy in comparison, but he is now 57!

Things are no better here, Theresa May is 62, Boris is 54, her Maj is 92 and becoming really old, with the replacement Maj not much better at 69.

Now Kim Jong-un on the other hand, is only 35, he became the Supreme Leader of North Korea while a comparative baby, aged 28. Sebastian Kurz is 32.

But does her maj have any political power? Because our king doesn't have, he just have to sign. Everything is in name of the king, but that is where his power ends. Holland is govern by bureaucrats and technocrats, not by politica's or the king. Nothing ever changes, elections change nothing, there is no powerful person you can ring. Everything is the middle of the road, I myself don't even know the name of our mayor of ministers, like most Dutch don't know. Many Dutch even do not vote, they concider it as useless and maybe it is. It is all interchangeable the way the private limited company The Netherlands is just running, always in the same way. That is what it is called by us and what it is, De B.V. Nederland, the private limited liability company The Netherlands. It is a business company, not a country.