Graaf Statler wrote:Strange...
When i wanted to discuss this matter with Jimmy I was instantly Global locked an SanFanBanned....
The whole matter and where the reality gap is, is there is nothing new.
The way they have collected their "knowlege" for instance in Holland was always forbidden by the copyright law out of 1912.......
Because that is in base the huge misunderstanding of WMF and where there reality gap is. Jimmy can't do anything about it. It was always in this way, it has always been impossible to run a Dutch orientated side under the American legal system.
Because there is no fair use and a zero tolerance regiem and no section 230, and because you are under more than one legal system if you do so.
It has really nothing to do with Europe and even not with article 13. Copyright and licenses is a national affair in Europe. The only thing what has changed is a firm can be fined and they want to filter content. But putting a site on black by a court was already possible as you can see in that German verdict and copyvio was always strikt forbidden.
And that username of Arthur, ah, me is told I am a madman so often and I needed psychiatric help. In the wiki world is every jurist a complete idiot you know, so for them it was the a complete normal username for a lawyer.
Yes, it has been illegal for some time in specific European countries. The difference posed by the new laws is that the courts will be happier to rule against foreign hosts, Wikipedia has traditionally been safe enough because they are hosted in the US, and because they are not responsible for their content which is user-generated. If these new laws come into effect as anticipated, the "protections" they had before will mean zippity nothing.
* The new law makes the host responsible for the content regardless of who put it there, which will make a big difference.
* The new law makes it easy to sue against people for content not hosted in Europe, as long as it is accessible in Europe.
* A proactive requirement to filter and remove material which is a copyvio in Europe will be introduced, the WMF will need to do this.
* Unlike Turkey, the EU has the technical ability to block specific parts of Wikipedia, no blanket ban of the entire Wikipedia is needed.
* With the ability to block specific Wikimedia pages or projects (like Wikisource or Commons), the European courts will be more than happy to do so.
Of course Jimbo can figure that out for himself, not that I expect him to be able to change the outcome which I believe to be an inevitable strengthening of European law on the internet.