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Is NASA a cult?

Post by REEkipidia » Thu May 25, 2023 5:21 am

Every single person enthusiastic about NASA has the same physiological attributes of a cult member: wide eyes, the crazed facial expression, unusually outgoing, and seemingly drugged up to the gills on psych meds.

For decades NASA has been disfiguring and killing people in the most terrifying and painful of ways, often in seemingly frivolous experiments that serve no other purpose than to keep certain useless people employed. NASA is always trying to sanitize these accidents by making it seem like the victims died peacefully in their sleep.

Remeber that horrific Apollo 1 fire that killed 3 astronauts in 1967? If you read NASA's website they say the burns they received were "likely survivable". This is obviously not true because these men were trapped inside of the 1000 degree celsius capsule for minutes. There is no way they could have been rescued in time to survive, and we have no hard evidence of when they lost consciousness.

What they are doing is trying to pretend like these men died a quick and relatively peaceful death from smoke inhalation, and that the several seconds of agony they spent in a 1000 degree pure oxygen fire was an insignificant factor in their deaths. In the survivng cockpit audio an astronaut says they are burning alive very shortly after the fire begins; the anguished screams are exactly how people sound when they are being immolated. It's plenty clear these men suffered horrendously, but in movies they make it seem like they were dignified and unafraid, and died instantly.

NASA fanboys try to minimize the damage sustained by the astronauts, by quoting NASA-doctored autopsy reports that this astronaut "only suffered 2nd degree burns on 60% of their body". But what was even left of his body? 50% of his original body must have been completely carbonized and destroyed during the process of removing it:

https://i.redd.it/x9d4ccau2sg81.jpg

Sure, that's totally a second degree burn behind that helmet. Stupid fucks. :roll:

They did the same thing with the Challenger explosion, another "accident" that could have been easily prevented. You may remember being told by your teachers and the news media that the astronauts died painlessly and instantly in the explosion; that there was no anguish or fear. They actually survived and were definitely conscious when the crew cabin crashed in to the ocean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqcd_3daPQ8

Clearly, if your average elementary school kid was aware of the truly grisly ways that NASA mishaps had killed people, such as by stir frying them in molten plastic, they would never dream of becoming an astronaut. Public support for NASA would plummet, and everyone would become aware that NASA sucks, their rinky dink spacecraft are built out of styrofoam stolen from the dumpsters at fast food restaurants, and they have accomplished nothing that would have you to believe that space colonization is feasible.

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Re: Is NASA a cult?

Post by Bbb23sucks » Thu May 25, 2023 5:20 pm

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Re: Is NASA a cult?

Post by ericbarbour » Thu May 25, 2023 8:08 pm

REEkipidia wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 5:21 am
Clearly, if your average elementary school kid was aware of the truly grisly ways that NASA mishaps had killed people, such as by stir frying them in molten plastic, they would never dream of becoming an astronaut. Public support for NASA would plummet, and everyone would become aware that NASA sucks, their rinky dink spacecraft are built out of styrofoam stolen from the dumpsters at fast food restaurants, and they have accomplished nothing that would have you to believe that space colonization is feasible.
lol, nice burn.....space travel is very risky, and before you complain about NASA disasters, remember the far greater death toll of the Soviet space program. NASA's messes were public record and the USSR covered everything up for decades. Shall I make a list? Probably incomplete:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nedelin_catastrophe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Ples ... d_disaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_7K-T_No.39
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentin_Bondarenko

And we have NO IDEA how many people have been killed by the Chinese space program. They're still covering everything up. Every launch and experiment has been a "success".

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Re: Is NASA a cult?

Post by Ognistysztorm » Fri May 26, 2023 12:08 am

ericbarbour wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 8:08 pm
REEkipidia wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 5:21 am
Clearly, if your average elementary school kid was aware of the truly grisly ways that NASA mishaps had killed people, such as by stir frying them in molten plastic, they would never dream of becoming an astronaut. Public support for NASA would plummet, and everyone would become aware that NASA sucks, their rinky dink spacecraft are built out of styrofoam stolen from the dumpsters at fast food restaurants, and they have accomplished nothing that would have you to believe that space colonization is feasible.
lol, nice burn.....space travel is very risky, and before you complain about NASA disasters, remember the far greater death toll of the Soviet space program. NASA's messes were public record and the USSR covered everything up for decades. Shall I make a list? Probably incomplete:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nedelin_catastrophe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Ples ... d_disaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_7K-T_No.39
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentin_Bondarenko

And we have NO IDEA how many people have been killed by the Chinese space program. They're still covering everything up. Every launch and experiment has been a "success".
In fact, the first human space flight by Gagarin is increasingly considered as an "incomplete spaceflight" in the backdrop of the war in Ukraine, since because of Soviet technological limitations he was ejected out of his spacecraft well before landing. The other day there was a dispute on NPOVN because some Soviet fanboys whitewashed it out of some spaceflight timeline history pages.

This is not to mention the recent strings of moon lander failures recently. Beresheet, Chandrayaan 2, and now Hakuto.

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Re: Is NASA a cult?

Post by ericbarbour » Fri May 26, 2023 1:56 am

If you want to complain about NASA, take the easiest handle: their incredible talent for wasting money

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/05/a ... ropulsion/

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Re: Is NASA a cult?

Post by wexter » Fri May 26, 2023 2:39 am

NASA is an example of an institution that aged out and lost dynamism as a result
“Another trend, the aging of NASA’s workforce, has both negative and positive effects. About 56 percent of NASA’s workforce is 50 years old and over, an increase of about 7 percentage points over the past 5 years. Officials said that NASA’s workforce is aging because NASA has a low attrition rate – about 4 percent annually – and high numbers of staff stay several years past retirement. We also found that, as of the beginning of 2018, 21 percent" GAO
Same with Wikipedia... the risk taking and dynamism took place twenty years ago..
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Re: Is NASA a cult?

Post by Bbb23sucks » Fri May 26, 2023 3:33 am

wexter wrote:
Fri May 26, 2023 2:39 am
NASA is an example of an institution that aged out and lost dynamism as a result
“Another trend, the aging of NASA’s workforce, has both negative and positive effects. About 56 percent of NASA’s workforce is 50 years old and over, an increase of about 7 percentage points over the past 5 years. Officials said that NASA’s workforce is aging because NASA has a low attrition rate – about 4 percent annually – and high numbers of staff stay several years past retirement. We also found that, as of the beginning of 2018, 21 percent" GAO
Same with Wikipedia... the risk taking and dynamism took place twenty years ago..
Another aspect is privatization. Overtime, more and more things have been contracted out to corporations who take ever-increasing cuts while delivering worse results.
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Re: Is NASA a cult?

Post by Strelnikov » Fri May 26, 2023 10:00 am

ericbarbour wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 8:08 pm
REEkipidia wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 5:21 am
Clearly, if your average elementary school kid was aware of the truly grisly ways that NASA mishaps had killed people, such as by stir frying them in molten plastic, they would never dream of becoming an astronaut. Public support for NASA would plummet, and everyone would become aware that NASA sucks, their rinky dink spacecraft are built out of styrofoam stolen from the dumpsters at fast food restaurants, and they have accomplished nothing that would have you to believe that space colonization is feasible.
lol, nice burn.....space travel is very risky, and before you complain about NASA disasters, remember the far greater death toll of the Soviet space program. NASA's messes were public record and the USSR covered everything up for decades. Shall I make a list? Probably incomplete:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nedelin_catastrophe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Ples ... d_disaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_7K-T_No.39
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentin_Bondarenko

And we have NO IDEA how many people have been killed by the Chinese space program. They're still covering everything up. Every launch and experiment has been a "success".

Wikipedia has this article which lists "verified" deaths and the tally was four cosmonauts, fifteen astronauts dying in space. There were claims of "lost cosmonauts" (and Wikipedia has an article for that one) all during the manned Soviet space program. Most of the "verfied" perople who died in "spaceflight related accidents" were early rocket experimenters blasted by their own rockets, or ground technicians vaporized by rocket explosions, or other incidents that would be classified as industrial accidents if they weren't on a launchpad. Most of the "verified" Chinese deaths have been on the ground and even then the numbers were estimates.

I will say that the Nedelin catastrophe of 1960 nearly dissolved the Yangel missile OKB ("design bureau", its true Soviet name was OKB-586), because it was Mikhail Yangel's rocket, the R-16, that vaporized Mitrofan Ivanovich Nedelin, Chief Marshal of the Artillery. They only found a single Marshal's shoulderboard, his half-melted "Hero of Soviet Union" gold star medal, and his wristwatch (stuck at the precise moment) after the explosion, which Nedelin provoked by trying to beat the anniversary of the Bolshevik Revolution by launching before November 7th. He was on the pad, directing things from a chair. Yangel only survived because he and the range officer decided to take a smoke break, went behind a bunker and were shielded from the blast and even then they both suffered burns, because the ICBM prototype ran on red fuming nitric acid and hydrazine, a hypergolic fuel* mixture that is both toxic and highly explosive. The toxicity of the mixture meant that those people who dodged the explosion were killed by clouds of the vapor which choked them to death as they tried to reach the gate of the security fence around the launchpad. A few days later a patched-up Yangel was personally yelled at by Nikita Khruschev and suffered a heart attack afterwards that he survived. Nedelin was claimed to have died in an air crash, and the reality was not disclosed until 1988. There is a memorial to him and the high level people who were also incinerated/poisoned to death at the pad at Baikonur Cosmodrome in what is now Kazakhstan, but the true number of deaths is not known (60 to 120.)



* The same setup but not the same fuel as was used by Messerschmitt in their Me 163 rocket fighter, which was known to melt pilots in crashes or explode when fueling, because high test peroxide is a vicious oxidizer and mixing it with a methanol-hydrazine-water fuel causes violent explosions. The Luftwaffe training for the rocket was insane, with pilots in hyperbaric chambers going from sea level to 30,000 feet far faster than the plane actually flew. What they really needed was high speed shooting training because the closing speed with the B-17 bombers was over 500 miles an hour on the first pass, and the plane's 30mm cannons fired slowly.
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